talbazar
06-12-11, 02:12
Following CrouchTPEngage thread on "When advantage stops" I had a look at law 10.2(c) (mentioned in the thread) and it raised something in my little slow brain...
The law says:
(c) Throwing into touch. A player must not intentionally knock, place, push or throw the ball with his arm or hand into touch, touch-in-goal, or over the dead ball line.
Sanction: Penalty kick on the 15-metre line if the offence is between the 15-metre line and the touchline, or, at the place of infringement if the offence occured elsewhere in the field of play, or, 5 metres from the goal line and at least 15 metres from the touchline if the infringement occured in in-goal.
A penalty try must be awarded if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored.
Question: How could this offence prevent from scoring a try?
Or rather: How could this offence prevent from scoring a try in a situation that a non foul play wouldn't have?
For example:
Red kicks a grubber through and in Blue in-goal area.
Blue FB runs across the pitch, slides on the floor (diving on the ball) and tap the ball over the dead ball line while Red winger dives on the ball to score.
Would you really give a PT here?
../.. if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored.
Well, the try would have been scored if the Blue FB didn't do anything...
But, if the ball is on the ground and if he was on time to tap the ball over the DBL, he could certainly have grounded it too... Don't you think?
Or, if the ball is bouncing, are we 100% sure the Red winger would have caught the ball and grounded it?
Or, if the Red winger grabbed the ball and the Blue FB tapped it off Red's hands over DBL, wouldn't you believe Red Wing lost control of the ball?
My rationale here is to say, if a player is enough in control of the ball to throw/tap/push the ball over a given line, why wouldn't he be enough in control to do something legal to prevent the try?
Ok, maybe I'm being too pedantic... Or I don't get the "probably otherwise have been scored" part of the law...
Cheers,
Pierre.
The law says:
(c) Throwing into touch. A player must not intentionally knock, place, push or throw the ball with his arm or hand into touch, touch-in-goal, or over the dead ball line.
Sanction: Penalty kick on the 15-metre line if the offence is between the 15-metre line and the touchline, or, at the place of infringement if the offence occured elsewhere in the field of play, or, 5 metres from the goal line and at least 15 metres from the touchline if the infringement occured in in-goal.
A penalty try must be awarded if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored.
Question: How could this offence prevent from scoring a try?
Or rather: How could this offence prevent from scoring a try in a situation that a non foul play wouldn't have?
For example:
Red kicks a grubber through and in Blue in-goal area.
Blue FB runs across the pitch, slides on the floor (diving on the ball) and tap the ball over the dead ball line while Red winger dives on the ball to score.
Would you really give a PT here?
../.. if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored.
Well, the try would have been scored if the Blue FB didn't do anything...
But, if the ball is on the ground and if he was on time to tap the ball over the DBL, he could certainly have grounded it too... Don't you think?
Or, if the ball is bouncing, are we 100% sure the Red winger would have caught the ball and grounded it?
Or, if the Red winger grabbed the ball and the Blue FB tapped it off Red's hands over DBL, wouldn't you believe Red Wing lost control of the ball?
My rationale here is to say, if a player is enough in control of the ball to throw/tap/push the ball over a given line, why wouldn't he be enough in control to do something legal to prevent the try?
Ok, maybe I'm being too pedantic... Or I don't get the "probably otherwise have been scored" part of the law...
Cheers,
Pierre.