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ddjamo
16-07-14, 21:07
very good info here guys...

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/07/16/top10-nutritional-myths.aspx

crossref
16-07-14, 22:07
What's with all the marcola stuff.. Are we being spammed?

RobLev
16-07-14, 22:07
What's with all the marcola stuff.. Are we being spammed?

I was starting to wonder why we were moving from rugby to quackery.

Ian_Cook
16-07-14, 22:07
I've checked to see that these two posts come from ddjamo's usual IP number, and they do, so I don't think he's been hacked.

ddjamo
16-07-14, 22:07
my posting this was twofold. one - because it's very good info. robbie and I had discussed posting more info to help everyone with nutrition and health - so I am posting some very good and relevant info. two - because I made a bet with another member that the two of you above would be the first to post and would be very negative.

looks like I won! thanks men.

maybe neither of your mother's told you this - but if you don't have something nice to say - keep your mouth shut. there are others on here that would like to get back to the days where we discussed becoming better referees, ideas, and law...not a debate site where everything is an argument.

since I am a mod with full access (I think it's called a super mod or something) I would be happy to block this section of the site from you two so it's not so upsetting to you?

RobLev
16-07-14, 22:07
my posting this was twofold. one - because it's very good info. robbie and I had discussed posting more info to help everyone with nutrition and health - so I am posting some very good and relevant info. two - because I made a bet with another member that the two of you above would be the first to post and would be very negative.

looks like I won! thanks men.

maybe neither of your mother's told you this - but if you don't have something nice to say - keep your mouth shut. there are others on here that would like to get back to the days where we discussed becoming better referees, ideas, and law...not a debate site where everything is an argument.

since I am a mod with full access (I think it's called a super mod or something) I would be happy to block this section of the site from you two so it's not so upsetting to you?

Mercola is an antivax pro-homeopathy quack who sometimes is mistakenly correct; it's up to Robert how he runs his site, and if he wants to block me that's his privilege, but if you deliberately trail information from a source like Mercola that is irrelevant to rugby refereeing so as to provoke argument, then it's hardly surprising if you get disagreement.

OB..
16-07-14, 22:07
if you don't have something nice to say - keep your mouth shut.
As an assessor I would find that too limiting.

crossref
16-07-14, 23:07
my posting this was twofold. one - because it's very good info. robbie and I had discussed posting more info to help everyone with nutrition and health - so I am posting some very good and relevant info. two - because I made a bet with another member that the two of you above would be the first to post and would be very negative.

looks like I won! thanks men.

maybe neither of your mother's told you this - but if you don't have something nice to say - keep your mouth shut. there are others on here that would like to get back to the days where we discussed becoming better referees, ideas, and law...not a debate site where everything is an argument.

since I am a mod with full access (I think it's called a super mod or something) I would be happy to block this section of the site from you two so it's not so upsetting to you?

hmm. You go out of your way to stress that you are mod - so are we to take it that this is an official endorsement of Mercola by RugbyRefs.com. Well then I'll certainly raise that, as an issue - I'll press the object button now.

Mercola is quite a well known quack. IMO this site certainly shouldn't be a platform for him.

RobLev
16-07-14, 23:07
...

maybe neither of your mother's told you this - but if you don't have something nice to say - keep your mouth shut

...

One other thing - were you referring to to me or to Browner when you posted (http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?17906-Player-abuse-and-retaliation&p=277787&viewfull=1#post277787):


ahhhh....our beloved mr. j. rotten

Or am I misunderstanding the meaning of this comment?

Ian_Cook
16-07-14, 23:07
my posting this was twofold. one - because it's very good info. robbie and I had discussed posting more info to help everyone with nutrition and health - so I am posting some very good and relevant info. two - because I made a bet with another member that the two of you above would be the first to post and would be very negative.

looks like I won! thanks men.

maybe neither of your mother's told you this - but if you don't have something nice to say - keep your mouth shut. there are others on here that would like to get back to the days where we discussed becoming better referees, ideas, and law...not a debate site where everything is an argument.

since I am a mod with full access (I think it's called a super mod or something) I would be happy to block this section of the site from you two so it's not so upsetting to you?


ddjamo

I was one of the posters, and I didn't say anything negative, so think that is a bit of an over-reaction.

Given the frequency with which we have spammers here (about once a month) and especially as much of that spam relates to nutrition, I was concerned that your account might have been hacked (it would not be the first time I have seen accounts hacked). I have had my account at JREF hacked, and had to email an admin to to change my password & email address because I couldn't get in to do it myself. In the mean time, the hacker/bot used by account to spam some pretty dubious stuff all over the site to the point where my account was temporarily banned.

RobLev
16-07-14, 23:07
ddjamo

I was one of the posters, and I didn't say anything negative, so think that is a bit of an over-reaction.

...

I'm pretty sure that it was me and crossref to whom ddjamo was referring; since we both responded to his earlier post by referring to criticism of Dr Joseph Mercola by Orac.

SimonSmith
17-07-14, 00:07
It isn't an official endorsement of anything by anyone.

Jamo can post what he likes, as can you or anyone.
Is it right?
Who the hell knows. Apply your own judgement, but trusting anyone who is antivax may not be the smartest thing to do.

menace
17-07-14, 00:07
Wow...doesn't nutrition make everyone a bit testis (yes - I meant that spelling)
Looks like you all eat too much gluten!

I'll caveat my next comments with the fact that I'm a Paleo fan...well sort of, mines a revised version that works for me. I'd like to go the whole hog but it's almost impossible when you have a wife and kids who think it's a quack and your pantry is full of processed crap.


What I did find ironic on that article after debunking all the lies was this comment: "Be wary of nutritional advice from mainstream "experts" as it may not be based on science—or based on bad information that is several decades outdated. Truthful, accurate information is your number one weapon in taking control of your health."
So why should anyone believe this Dr, and who died and made him God on nutrition?
Just like every single other nutritional article ever written is by a Dr that has a multitude of letters after their name to somehow show how important and expert their advice. The truth is..who the f@ck knows who is or is not telling the truth. IMO it's a friggen nightmare figuring out what is right and what is wrong when you're bombarded with conflicting ideas. It really comes down to what your previous ideas are, your own reading, knowledge, and who was the most convincing.

For me the basic concept of Paleo, which is suggested in the article, makes most sense. (It wasn't the conspiracy theory that US government created the nutrition pyramid only to save its $billions wheat/grain farming industry!)

For me the article was interesting and had some interesting concepts. But I regularly abide by the notion of "half of what you read is bull, and the other half is sh!t". Take out of it what you want and what strikes a cord with other things you've read/believe.

Now excuse me while I shove a hose up my @ss for my daily coffee intake! :pepper::pepper:

leaguerefaus
17-07-14, 01:07
An unsourced article which recommends against government health guidelines, hmm... I'll be right, thanks.

barker14610
17-07-14, 01:07
Lie #4: Artificial Sweeteners Are Safe Sugar Replacements for Diabetics, and Help Promote Weight Loss

I have lived this one out. I used to drink Diet Pepsi all the time. About a year ago, I cut it out 100%. I also did other dietary changes such as grass fed meat that is locally sourced, lots of organic fruits and vegetables and eliminating most grains. I do eat Ezekiel bread, though, a couple of times a week. My weight is down 60+ pounds at this point. And, I can tell you, I am convinced it was the artificial sweetener driving me to eat poorly all the time. Relating this all to being a referee, I can tell you that I am totally different out there. My mind is clearer, my decisions are more consistent and I can almost no back chat because I am always right at the tackle or play.

menace
17-07-14, 01:07
My money is on that you probably lost most of all the weight from ditching the grains and eating healthily....undoubtedly cutting out the soda helped. But it probably wasn't a single factor but the sum of all the factors that you changed.

Either way..it doesn't matter. You got what you wanted from it.

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An unsourced article which recommends against government health guidelines, hmm... I'll be right, thanks.

Have you seen our government???

I wouldn't trust those f@ckers with a puppy!

leaguerefaus
17-07-14, 01:07
My money is on that you probably lost most of all the weight from ditching the grains and eating healthily....undoubtedly cutting out the soda helped. But it probably wasn't a single factor but the sum of all the factors that you changed.

Either way..it doesn't matter. You got what you wanted from it.

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Have you seen our government???

I wouldn't trust those f@ckers with a puppy!

I have a huge distrust in government but I'd give them the benefit of the doubt on dietary guidelines. Maybe not on other things where corporate money is involved like GMOs though.

Browner
17-07-14, 02:07
One other thing - were you referring to to me or to Browner when you posted (http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?17906-Player-abuse-and-retaliation&p=277787&viewfull=1#post277787):


Excuse me! , i wasnt involved in this thread Roblev.

RobLev
17-07-14, 06:07
Excuse me! , i wasnt involved in this thread Roblev.

Really? (http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?17906-Player-abuse-and-retaliation&p=277779&viewfull=1#post277779)

Lee Lifeson-Peart
17-07-14, 08:07
I have had my account at JREF hacked, and had to email an admin to to change my password & email address because I couldn't get in to do it myself. In the mean time, the hacker/bot used by account to spam some pretty dubious stuff all over the site to the point where my account was temporarily banned.

I remember those posts Ian. There was a few where you were gracious in defeat after an All Blacks game - we knew instantly your account must have been hacked.

crossref
17-07-14, 08:07
So why should anyone believe this Dr, and who died and made him God on nutrition?
Just like every single other nutritional article ever written is by a Dr that has a multitude of letters after their name to somehow show how important and expert their advice.

this particular guy -- it's not at all clear that he even is a doctor .. the only place that seems to use that title is his own website.

menace
17-07-14, 09:07
Exactly....the same goes with many papers.. Who actually checks their credentials and if you did can you verify they're true!

winchesterref
17-07-14, 10:07
To be totally fair to ddjamo, that article is pretty good. Useful information, solid principles behind it, and far better than mainstream dietary advice that is currently peddled by governments and organisations ignoring growing bodies of evidence with the opposite conclusions to their own.

Drift
17-07-14, 11:07
An unsourced article which recommends against government health guidelines, hmm... I'll be right, thanks.

Read any other things out there and they back up what he has listed there. Look up Dr Loren Cordain, Dr Peter Attia, Robb Wolf, Mark Sission and they will all say the same thing. Modern health guidelines set out by most governments are rubbish.

The biggest mistake that as every happen is we started describing people as a macro-nutrient, fat, and then everyone reckons "fat makes you fat". Like f*** it does, my normal diet consists of about 50% fat from many healthy sources and I am the lightest I have been in years. I've somewhat fallen into some bad habits over the last couple of months so I am carrying a bit more than usual but overall I perform much better when eating more fat than carbs.

Drift
17-07-14, 11:07
I have a huge distrust in government but I'd give them the benefit of the doubt on dietary guidelines. Maybe not on other things where corporate money is involved like GMOs though.
The annual nutrional seminar is sponsored by f*cking Nestle!

menace
17-07-14, 12:07
I've somewhat fallen into some bad habits over the last couple of months so I am carrying a bit more than usual but overall I perform much better when eating more fat than carbs.

Nothing like this I hope Drift! :wink:
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Phil E
17-07-14, 12:07
Everything in moderation, combine with exercise.

What more do you need to know?

barker14610
17-07-14, 13:07
[QUOTE=menace;277898]My money is on that you probably lost most of all the weight from ditching the grains and eating healthily....undoubtedly cutting out the soda helped. But it probably wasn't a single factor but the sum of all the factors that you changed.

Either way..it doesn't matter. You got what you wanted from it.


I could not have sustained and eventually changed my eating habits without elimination of the dirty tricks artificial sweeteners play on your brain. Cutting that was the absolute key.

Browner
17-07-14, 14:07
Really? (http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?17906-Player-abuse-and-retaliation&p=277779&viewfull=1#post277779)

You'll have your reasons for linking other threads, I CBA to guess them.

woody
17-07-14, 15:07
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2695030/I-wrong-feasting-FAT-says-The-Fast-Diet-author-DR-MICHAEL-MOSLEY.html

Nutritional bias is even covered by the Daily Mail.

Crappy sudo-science that once published never gets verified or corrected. Peer reviewed my a$$.

Browner
17-07-14, 16:07
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2695030/I-wrong-feasting-FAT-says-The-Fast-Diet-author-DR-MICHAEL-MOSLEY.html

Nutritional bias is even covered by the Daily Mail.
Crappy sudo-science that once published never gets verified or corrected. Peer reviewed my a$$.


All known science has suffered from discredit or smear on route to acceptability, this might be another one ! ....OTOH :-)

RobLev
17-07-14, 16:07
You'll have your reasons for linking other threads, I CBA to guess them.

You claimed that you weren't involved in the thread in which ddjamo made the comment:


ahhhh....our beloved mr. j. rotten

I linked to your post in that thread, that's all.

Ian_Cook
17-07-14, 21:07
I remember those posts Ian. There was a few where you were gracious in defeat after an All Blacks game - we knew instantly your account must have been hacked.


I don't post about rugby at JREF; its a science and skeptics forum

Ian_Cook
17-07-14, 21:07
You claimed that you weren't involved in the thread in which ddjamo made the comment:

I linked to your post in that thread, that's all.


I don't get it. Why are you referencing to another completely different thread...

http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?17906-Player-abuse-and-retaliation

..that has nothing whatever to do with this thread (on nutrition)?

Browner's first post in this thread was to ask the same question I am asking. ddjamo could only have been referring to you and/or crossref and/or me when he posted #5 because we were the only three who had posted a reply.

ddjamo
17-07-14, 21:07
rob - so you can sleep tonight...this is what I was referencing:

http://www.amazon.com/Rotten-No-Irish-Blacks-Dogs/dp/031211883X

mr. johnny "rotten" lydon.

RobLev
17-07-14, 22:07
I don't get it. Why are you referencing to another completely different thread...

http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?17906-Player-abuse-and-retaliation

..that has nothing whatever to do with this thread (on nutrition)?

...

I was referencing that thread because ddjamo had expressed the view that "if you have nothing good to say, say nothing" - objecting to me (and crossref) badmouthing Mercola.

I had taken his comment on the other thread (mistakenly, as it now turns out) as badmouthing either me or Browner; hence I was contrasting his view expressed on this thread in relation to proper behaviour with what I understood to be his own behaviour on the other thread.

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rob - so you can sleep tonight...this is what I was referencing:

http://www.amazon.com/Rotten-No-Irish-Blacks-Dogs/dp/031211883X

mr. johnny "rotten" lydon.

Thanks for clarifying - I withdraw my implied allegation.

Drift
17-07-14, 23:07
Nothing like this I hope Drift! :wink:


Exactly.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
18-07-14, 19:07
I don't post about rugby at JREF; its a science and skeptics forum

I try not to let the truth get in the way of a bit of leg pulling!

L'irlandais
09-09-14, 20:09
Gah! ddjamo has linked to "No blacks, no Irish! (Robbie, please' come back!)
This discussion nearly got to 40 posts without the mention of glowing green smoothies (http://greensmoothierecipebook.com/glowing-green-smoothie/).