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Lee Lifeson-Peart
09-08-14, 13:08
I thought this thread would have started before now - so here goes.

I have a pre-season friendly at my club today.

It is the first game I've done since Nov 2nd 2013

I feel very nervous. It feels like my first game (again).

winchesterref
09-08-14, 13:08
I started it last year! Didn't want to do it again!!

Good luck, hope it goes well - injury free now, rehab complete?

I'm at a friendly at DK today.

Phil E
09-08-14, 14:08
Tigers Open Day today. No idea who those other two are, who got in on my photo?

Level 9 friendly on Tuesday evening. Stratford II v Leamington II

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andyscott
09-08-14, 15:08
Not doing any pre season friendlies, they are usually crap and a waste of time, with one team being far stronger than the other. Or it is a game for match fitness and some clown of a coach thinks its good to give everyone half an hour, and wonder why they are still not match fit.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
09-08-14, 20:08
Not doing any pre season friendlies, they are usually crap and a waste of time, with one team being far stronger than the other. Or it is a game for match fitness and some clown of a coach thinks its good to give everyone half an hour, and wonder why they are still not match fit.

I have missed you! :biggrin:

barker14610
09-08-14, 20:08
Golf this weekend. Still a few weeks before we start.

irishref
09-08-14, 21:08
running in the woods with my team this sunday...

Daftmedic
10-08-14, 13:08
I started as my season finished. With 7's.
Great day in Braintree. Legs are feeling it this morning though.

matty1194
10-08-14, 21:08
Yesterday i was down in Aldershot for the Army Fijian 7s competition, awesome day, sun shining all day unlike today's weather. Really high standard of rugby on display, boys had come from far and wide to play, Germany, Inverness, Belfast and all over the UK.

Great atmosphere with the 16 teams their and all of the families and wider community coming together.

Gotta love a bit of preseason games, its not just the players who need to blow out the cobwebs, referees do aswell!

Daftmedic
11-08-14, 09:08
Spot on matty1194 my first game was a little whistle frantic compared to the last game which was dream cobwebs completely blown out the system.

Phil E
11-08-14, 09:08
running in the woods with my team this sunday...

(Sound of banjo's) Digaling ding ding :Nerv:

Phil E
11-08-14, 10:08
Level 9 friendly on Tuesday evening. Stratford II v Leamington II

First friendly.........first cancellation Grrrrrr :chair:

ctrainor
11-08-14, 22:08
Whitehaven v Vale of Lune Saturday, should be a nice warmup

Wert Twacky
12-08-14, 16:08
World Cup semi-final tomorrow, Stade de Jean Bouin :smile:

Phil E
12-08-14, 16:08
World Cup semi-final tomorrow, Stade de Jean Bouin :smile:

That's an impressive appointment.
Are you going to wear shorts or a skirt?

Simon Thomas
13-08-14, 07:08
That's an impressive appointment.
Are you going to wear shorts or a skirt?

Enjoy. I hope B52 has not been leading you astray.

And keep smiling for the cameras.

Who is in the middle for the two semis ?

Wert Twacky
13-08-14, 07:08
Hi Simon - B52 isn't allowed anywhere near the "inner sanctum"

England v Ireland: Amy Perrett (Australia). ARs: Nicky Inwood (NZ) and Alex Pratt (Scot)
France v Canada: Helen O'Reilley (IRE). ARs: Nicky Inwood (NZ) and Moi.

Doing two AR appointments in a day, including back-to-backs, has been done all tourno.

Au revior!

Daftmedic
13-08-14, 11:08
Do I need to get my sons teddies down from his bedroom to throw at the TV again?

Wert Twacky
13-08-14, 16:08
Daftmedic - you can throw what you want at your telly for all i care.

Bunniksider
13-08-14, 17:08
Whitehaven v Vale of Lune Saturday, should be a nice warmup

Ciaran, I have Whitehaven at the end of September. Please let me know if there is anything I need to be aware of.

Cheers
Mark

Toby Warren
13-08-14, 19:08
Hi Simon - B52 isn't allowed anywhere near the "inner sanctum"

England v Ireland: Amy Perrett (Australia). ARs: Nicky Inwood (NZ) and Alex Pratt (Scot)
France v Canada: Helen O'Reilley (IRE). ARs: Nicky Inwood (NZ) and Moi.

Doing two AR appointments in a day, including back-to-backs, has been done all tourno.

Au revior!

Say hi to b52 for me. Wise to keep him from the inner sanctum - his best work is done in the social areas!

Dixie
14-08-14, 11:08
Ciaran, I have Whitehaven at the end of September. Please let me know if there is anything I need to be aware of. They still feel aggrieved.

Bunniksider
14-08-14, 11:08
They still feel aggrieved.

Why would that be? I am missing something.

Ciaran, any relation to the Whitehaven photographer?

ctrainor
14-08-14, 12:08
Don't understand that comment either,
No I am not a relation of the photographer but have got to know him over the years, I'll ask him to take your good side.
PS a nice rail journey up the cumbrian coat if you plan it

tim White
14-08-14, 21:08
PS a nice rail journey up the cumbrian coat This will take some explaining????????

SimonSmith
15-08-14, 00:08
Society AGM

I'm going to ask the audience about the conversion law clarification, just to see who's on their toes

Phil E
15-08-14, 08:08
There's only 9 games on this weekend in Warwickshire, so I'm off to Stratford for Tappas and some culture from The Bard.

irishref
15-08-14, 14:08
I have Bury St Edmonds firsts against a Dutch team. Anybody au fait with the suffolkers?

Bunniksider
15-08-14, 15:08
........PS a nice rail journey up the cumbrian coat if you plan it

Not to Aldwinians it isn't!!

Dixie
15-08-14, 16:08
They still feel aggrieved.


Why would that be? I am missing something?


Don't understand that comment either Ask them when Callum Jennings is coming back to play for them.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
15-08-14, 21:08
I have Bury St Edmonds firsts against a Dutch team. Anybody au fait with the suffolkers?

If they take their socks off they can count to 24.

Simon Thomas
15-08-14, 21:08
I have Bury St Edmonds firsts against a Dutch team. Anybody au fait with the suffolkers?

BSM are an ambitious club who have climbed the Leagues season after season and did well last season in National 3 London & South East.

Great club, decent players, decent supporters, informed blazers - pretty decent all round.

With a full 1st XV they should murder any Dutch club side, as their Premiership is L 6 at best.

ctrainor
15-08-14, 21:08
They've moved on from that. Callum is still involved with the club. Not sure when his ban is up

Browner
15-08-14, 22:08
.......Not sure when his ban is up

He's able to play from 17/3/2015

Daftmedic
18-08-14, 10:08
I have Bury St Edmonds firsts against a Dutch team. Anybody au fait with the suffolkers?
Yes buddy PM me and I will tell you.

DrSTU
19-08-14, 08:08
Very pleased last night to get confirmation of my game and KO on the 30th of August!

Cambridge Dev v Luton

Nice game to start the season on.

Toby Warren
19-08-14, 08:08
London appointments on hold until tomorrow's fitness test results are known..

Simon Thomas
19-08-14, 09:08
London appointments on hold until tomorrow's fitness test results are known..

Hampshire's Society YoYo fitness tests done last night managed by KML1. 36 referees participated,including three new post ELRAs and two new Young Officials (17 and 16 years old).

Panel and Group guys had already passed their tests, so good to see our two Southern Federation referees were going well at 17.2 and 16.8 and a new member (triathlete) was on his way to 20 when KML1 stopped the tests as we wanted to start the indoor part of the meeting !

Most members were fine at levels 14-15 and with only a very few exceptions fitness levels are good and better than previous seasons. Big round of applause to all the guys.

Good discussion session on the management of the breakdown for the dozen or so assembled Society Referee Coaches and Match Observers whilst the referees ran around.

Blackberry
20-08-14, 14:08
I've got Farnham Royal vs Thatcham in a friendly. Always enjoy going to Farnham, its a rugby club in the traditional way, small, just rugby and passionate. In my first match there I had to persuade the home crowd to be quiet while the away team were making lineout calls.

Jacko
20-08-14, 15:08
Doncaster v a Newcastle Falcons XV this Saturday for me. Will be interesting to see what sort of side Newcastle put out given that they're playing Rotherham at home at the same time! A good test of squad depth if nothing else....

Daftmedic
20-08-14, 17:08
I'm going to Harwich. Nearly 4 hour round trip. Yey

Browner
20-08-14, 17:08
I've got Farnham Royal vs Thatcham in a friendly. Always enjoy going to Farnham, its a rugby club in the traditional way, small, just rugby and passionate. In my first match there I had to persuade the home crowd to be quiet while the away team were making lineout calls.

Cycling there?
:-)

Blackberry
20-08-14, 19:08
Cycling there?
:-)
Might do.

Phil E
21-08-14, 10:08
Copsewood v Coventry Welsh, pre-season selection game.

Should be a nice little warm up to get my head back in gear.

Adam
21-08-14, 11:08
Stocksbridge (L9) vs. Barnsley (L8). Pre-season friendly. Nice warm up after Australia trip and before Yorkshire Shield game next weekend.

John3822
21-08-14, 14:08
Weybridge Vandals trial game tonight, Level 8/7 should be a good test of fitness, having passed the regional fitness test last night.

:hap:

irishref
21-08-14, 14:08
I'm going to Harwich. Nearly 4 hour round trip. Yey

taking the boat to the Netherlands?!!!

winchesterref
21-08-14, 19:08
Calf injury has reared it's ugly head. Week off for me.

Daftmedic
23-08-14, 09:08
taking the boat to the Netherlands?!!!
Something to do with a touring side. I'm actually trying to sort an exchange out

beckett50
23-08-14, 12:08
Rushden & Higham v Wellingborough.
It was appointed as a friendly but Club fixtures secretary told me it was a local cup game. Glad I've already done a couple of games!
Had a shock this morning though when the Rushded site said KO was 1300; away team's said 1500! Quick call to club confirmed it still 1430. Confusion reigns!

crossref
27-08-14, 12:08
My have my first ever womens match :-)

Not quite sure what to expect as the only games of women's rugby I have ever watched were WRWC finals. I don't suppose my game will be quite that standard.

(and before anyone tries it, no I am not falling for that one about needing to inspect bras for underwiring)

Phil E
27-08-14, 12:08
Rugby St Andrews v Old Wheatleyans.

Third friendly, but maybe first game? The last two got cancelled, one after I got to the club :mad:

TheBFG
27-08-14, 13:08
did my first last night (and yes feeling it today!) another one tomorrow night and then one on Saturday, nothing like famine to feast!

and Crossref, as for your first ladies, expect a lot of injuries, depending on the level, some good handling but poor breakdown skills :shrug: just my opinion!

Browner
27-08-14, 17:08
My have my first ever womens match :-)

Not quite sure what to expect as the only games of women's rugby I have ever watched were WRWC finals. I don't suppose my game will be quite that standard.

(and before anyone tries it, no I am not falling for that one about needing to inspect bras for underwiring)

Your post match observations on what was different/easier/more difficult etc ... Might be useful, to help any ref who finds themselves in the 'yet to referee women, but just been appointed their 1st match' position

Just a thought CR

Blackberry
27-08-14, 18:08
On the subject of women's' rugby... I have a strange fixture later next month, Buckingham Swans against Sherborne School 5th XV. I think a phone call to our appoints sec for further details is called for.

The umpire
27-08-14, 20:08
On the subject of women's' rugby... I have a strange fixture later next month, Buckingham Swans against Sherborne School 5th XV. I think a phone call to our appoints sec for further details is called for.

Ah, I have their chaps against the town club tomorrow as my first run out.

smeagol
28-08-14, 06:08
Old Boys weekend for my collegiate club. I usually get the B side game, plus anything else depending on interest (last year featured a game of 10s). Good for fitness and getting back into the 15s mindset, weather permitting.

Daftmedic
28-08-14, 07:08
I done loads of women..................... Rugby I found not to many injuries the game is generally lateral dependent on skill level

oh and I have the first proper game this Saturday. Suffolk cup match. Which is being assessed and it's a VP day with good reported weather. So there will be lots of help from the sidelines for me:biggrin:

Jacko
28-08-14, 08:08
Coventry v Nottingham for me.

Dickie E
28-08-14, 10:08
What's a VP day? Victory in the Pacific?

OB..
28-08-14, 11:08
What's a VP day? Victory in the Pacific?Vice-Presidents.

Daftmedic
28-08-14, 13:08
It's when ladies have to have correct underwear so not to leave visible lines in tight clothes.

Camquin
28-08-14, 16:08
I thought we had done underwired bras earlier.

Dickie E
29-08-14, 00:08
It's when ladies have to have correct underwear so not to leave visible lines in tight clothes.

ah, yes. The dreaded Visible Panty Line

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Lee Lifeson-Peart
29-08-14, 06:08
ah, yes. The dreaded Visible Panty Line

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Wow! I've never seen anything like that before. Hardly a cloud!

Phil E
29-08-14, 09:08
Wow! I've never seen anything like that before. Hardly a cloud!

That's because it's grim ooop North!

Most of our readers probably don't even realise that the whole of Yorkshire is in black and white!


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Phil E
29-08-14, 10:08
Rugby St Andrews v Old Wheatleyans.

Third friendly, but maybe first game? The last two got cancelled, one after I got to the club :mad:

Saturdays game confirmed :biggrin:
.....although, so was last weeks, and it never happened! :mad:

Working tonight, Tigers v Cardiff Blues :biggrin:
Meeting Dixie and Dixie Jnr :chin:

Lee Lifeson-Peart
29-08-14, 10:08
I have friendly at my club for a charity match.

Thornensians II v Nestle Rowntree (yes like the chocolate)

The game is a Memorial Cup Game to mark the anniversary of the tragic death last year of Kim Chapman a young lady from the town.

The Fat
29-08-14, 12:08
President's Cup (= senior 3rd XV) Major Semi-final.
200mm of rain here 2 days ago but they assure me the ground will be in good nick. Fingers crossed.

SimonSmith
29-08-14, 13:08
That's because it's grim ooop North!

Most of our readers probably don't even realise that the whole of Yorkshire is in black and white!


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That is, in fact, a color photo of Yorkshire.

TheBFG
29-08-14, 13:08
3rd game tomorrow in 5 days. Last night was a lot better than the first, just needed to get back into the swing of things :wink:

Got very wet after the game when I allowed 2 of the home FR's to complete my Ice Bucket Challenge (ah well I did ping um off the pitch all night!) LOL

Browner
29-08-14, 14:08
That's because it's grim ooop North!

Most of our readers probably don't even realise that the whole of Yorkshire is in black and white!


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Ive always admired LLP's ability to chuckle/ join in / not take umberage with this directed banter, he's a credit to his father &uncle & brother , and his flat cap wearing whippet ( biggrin)

Phil E
29-08-14, 14:08
.........he's a credit to his father &uncle & brother

Is that all one person? :chin:

TheBFG
29-08-14, 15:08
Is that all one person? :chin:

he's from Yorkshire, not Gloucestershire!

Blackberry
29-08-14, 23:08
I am trying to get to sleep but am frustrated by a guest dog, a cross between a Rottweiler and an alligator, who is staying with us keeps barging into my study, sticking its head on my desk, and woofing until I scratch its ear. Our own dog, an Irish rescue collie, has had all its sense of humour systems fail simultaneously, and is also walking into my study and doing the dog equivalent of grabbing both my lapels and slapping my face back and forward repeatedly (I suspect I am anthromorhph.. anthromofrf... anhromorth... ..... giving my dog human attributes here.

The dog belongs to my niece and her boyfriend, both of who play for the club I am refereeing tomorrow. We asked to borrow her dogf to help in our dog's socialisation training. Dumb move.

So the question is, what bias can I bring to bear tomorrow to make up for a) my interrupted sleep b) our dog's interrupted sleep? I jest of course.

Browner
30-08-14, 11:08
Is that all one person? :chin:

I'll cross em, you nod em in ....

The Fat
30-08-14, 13:08
So I reffed a major semi-final today.
1st run in 6 weeks after a knee injury but had been working away in the gym for fitness.
Anyway, usual routine. Check I have all of my gear in my bag including my little plastic container that holds whistle and a couple of spares, panadol, tape, pencil, sharpener, cards, scissors, LoTG book and a handful of coins to make sure I never get to a game without a coin for the toss.
Always use a fifty cent piece but didn't have one in there today for some reason so just grabbed a twenty cent piece out of the container. All good, right?
Give the coin to the "home" captain to toss and the oppo captain calls tails. Some confusion when the coin hits the ground and we check the result.

It was a bloody TWO HEADED COIN!!!

crossref
04-09-14, 12:09
my first Ladies game was uneventful (apart from having to motivate a group of blazers to move a temporary fence, put up by council about 1m from the touchline!)

my next game is my very first schools game (all my youth referreeing experience has been with clubs).

Are the appts team messing with me ???
:)

Phil E
04-09-14, 15:09
Are the appts team messing with me ???
:)

They are broadening your horizons :wink:

Simon Thomas
04-09-14, 17:09
my first Ladies game was uneventful (apart from having to motivate a group of blazers to move a temporary fence, put up by council about 1m from the touchline!)

my next game is my very first schools game (all my youth referreeing experience has been with clubs).

Are the appts team messing with me ???
:)

Didn't you get the email ? :-)

Phil E
04-09-14, 17:09
Saturday working: Tigers v Falcons

Sunday: Warwickian v Harbury, L8, County Shield game.

ctrainor
04-09-14, 21:09
Upper Eden v Leigh should be a good one

Daftmedic
05-09-14, 07:09
This week I will mostly be refereeing Bury St Eds

Jacko
05-09-14, 08:09
Saturday working: Tigers v Falcons



Come down and say hi - chief clipboard officer for you tomorrow.

Phil E
05-09-14, 08:09
Come down and say hi - chief clipboard officer for you tomorrow.

No 4?

Will do. Luke Pearce in the middle.......kids eh? :wink:

......and we have installed a profanity proof screen around Cockers :biggrin:


NB: Cockers has put Geordan Murphy in charge of talking to the Referee for this season.
He's hoping he will win them over with his soft Irish brogue :wink:

Daftmedic
05-09-14, 09:09
I do like luke. Good ref and should make it IRB for big games soon

irishref
05-09-14, 10:09
This week I will mostly be refereeing Bury St Eds

Say hello from me ;-)

OB..
05-09-14, 13:09
He's hoping he will win them over with his soft Irish brogue :wink:Is that a sort of shoe?

Phil E
05-09-14, 14:09
Is that a sort of shoe?

No, he's just going to talk to him.

dave_clark
05-09-14, 15:09
to him, or at him?

SimonSmith
05-09-14, 15:09
Is that a sort of shoe?

Only if educated at Oxford

Phil E
05-09-14, 15:09
to him, or at him?

Definitely to him. Geordo is one of the nicest men you will ever meet.........off the pitch.



Come down and say hi - chief clipboard officer for you tomorrow.

Programmes have just come out. 4th official doesn't get a mention :sad:



Sunday: Warwickian v Harbury, L8, County Shield game.

Cancelled, one team has dropped out of the competition.
That's three out of four games cancelled :mad:



brogue (plural brogues)

A strong dialectal accent. In Ireland it used to be a term for Irish spoken with a strong English accent, but gradually changed to mean English spoken with a strong Irish accent as English control of Ireland gradually increased and Irish waned as the standard language.
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A strong Oxford shoe, with ornamental perforations and wing tips.
(dated) A heavy shoe of untanned leather.

Adam
09-09-14, 18:09
L6 Gloucestershire Exchange this weekend. Drybrook vs. Wells. Did Drybrook in March last year in their promotion winning season.

Phil E
09-09-14, 20:09
Just finished an U16 district game.
Really fast, great fun, this is what it's all about.

On Saturday I have a L8 league game involving this team (http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?18010-Selection-game) (evil grin). What goes around, comes around.

matty1194
09-09-14, 20:09
First opportunity of the season to referee at Murrayfield on Saturday...............well the back pitches but the address is the same as the big pitch :wink::wink:

Daftmedic
09-09-14, 21:09
Murrayfield goooooooo Army.

TheBFG
10-09-14, 09:09
L6 Gloucestershire Exchange this weekend. Drybrook vs. Wells. Did Drybrook in March last year in their promotion winning season.

Don't be put off by the size of the Wells team :wink: Very well drilled, oh and the #10 has a cannon behind that right boot!

TheBFG
10-09-14, 09:09
L6 Exchange to Berks (I think) Newbury v Witney.

Last time I was there (reffin) I ended up with RFU citing to deal with, unfortunately the side cited the wrong player and as it took so long for them to get their paperwork in they had no time to cite the right player!

Adam
10-09-14, 09:09
Don't be put off by the size of the Wells team :wink: Very well drilled, oh and the #10 has a cannon behind that right boot!

Thanks mate! Looking like it should be a good match, looking forward to it. Both teams won their leagues last season in gaining promotion, and both of them won their opening match last weekend. Green vs. Black so thankfully I can wear my powder blue jersey (I swapped all my others in Oz).

Lee Lifeson-Peart
10-09-14, 09:09
Thanks mate! Looking like it should be a good match, looking forward to it. Both teams won their leagues last season in gaining promotion, and both of them won their opening match last weekend. Green vs. Black so thankfully I can wear my powder blue jersey (I swapped all my others in Oz).

I hope you haven't lost mine already!

Simon Thomas
10-09-14, 09:09
L6 Exchange to Berks (I think) Newbury v Witney.

Last time I was there (reffin) I ended up with RFU citing to deal with, unfortunately the side cited the wrong player and as it took so long for them to get their paperwork in they had no time to cite the right player!

Who is watching you ? Initials only.

Adam
10-09-14, 10:09
I hope you haven't lost mine already!

Haha no I haven't. I'm trying to keep that one as an emergencies only jersey.

TheBFG
10-09-14, 10:09
Who is watching you ? Initials only.

DL (group assessor?)

TheBFG
10-09-14, 10:09
Thanks mate! Looking like it should be a good match, looking forward to it. Both teams won their leagues last season in gaining promotion, and both of them won their opening match last weekend. Green vs. Black so thankfully I can wear my powder blue jersey (I swapped all my others in Oz).


I think they've played each other twice in recent seasons in RFU comp and also play off, Wells won both!

Browner
10-09-14, 11:09
NB: Cockers has put Geordan Murphy in charge of talking to the Referee for this season.
:wink:

Then I propose that his bib is renamed, Add 'interpreter' to "waterboy"... Anyone who can convert cockerspeak into acceptable discussion with officials , needs public recognisition for such a remarkable ability.

:-)

winchesterref
10-09-14, 19:09
Off to Hereford this week.

Simon Thomas
10-09-14, 20:09
DL (group assessor?)

DL is a L6 MO ( I am his FADO). He is not on Group, just a Group Talent spotter at L8-10 for our Federation.

Daftmedic
10-09-14, 22:09
That convo needs to be done in PM.
Yalie a a walsbie stranded on hot coals

Jeff2509
13-09-14, 09:09
I've just realised, I can now contribute to this thread! Off to Stanford-le-Hope for my first game.

Phil E
13-09-14, 09:09
I've just realised, I can now contribute to this thread! Off to Stanford-le-Hope for my first game.

Jeff, best of luck, just enjoy yourself.

ctrainor
13-09-14, 09:09
Furness v Tarleton L 7 a rare one for me in my home town, only 3 miles from home! Then a few real ales tonight with some old school mates from the long gone Barrow Grammar school. Looking forward to a good day

Lee Lifeson-Peart
13-09-14, 10:09
St Leger.

irishref
13-09-14, 10:09
Furness v Tarleton L 7 a rare one for me in my home town, only 3 miles from home! Then a few real ales tonight with some old school mates from the long gone Barrow Grammar school. Looking forward to a good day

Will you do as I do with a home fixture and go by push-iron? ;-)

Phil E
13-09-14, 11:09
St Leger.

Your a jockey in the St Ledger :wow:

Daftmedic
13-09-14, 12:09
I'm at the Market of Stow today, the Colchester Colt in the morrow.

ctrainor
13-09-14, 12:09
Will you do as I do with a home fixture and go by push-iron? ;-)
Usually do Irish, you can't lose your licence can you? I'm Walking up today than straight out on the beer happy days

Lee Lifeson-Peart
13-09-14, 21:09
Your a jockey in the St Ledger :wow:

Don't be silly. I am a horse.

Adam
15-09-14, 10:09
Percy Park vs. Horden (L6). Last season's relegated from L5 against promoted champions of L7. Looking forward to it!

Daftmedic
15-09-14, 10:09
Percy Park vs. Horden (L6). Last season's relegated from L5 against promoted champions of L7. Looking forward to it!
And............?

Adam
15-09-14, 12:09
And............?

Sorry? I could go on if you want...

winchesterref
15-09-14, 13:09
I think he wants to know how it went!

Phil E
15-09-14, 14:09
Coventrians v Warwickians L9 :knuppel2:

Adam
15-09-14, 16:09
And............?


I think he wants to know how it went!

Percy Park vs. Horden is the Saturday coming so I don't know how that one went yet :) Gloucestershire was good fun though, good game at 7-21, few learning points, put a name to a face, with progress being made and hopefully rolling onto next week!

Daftmedic
15-09-14, 22:09
Percy Park vs. Horden is the Saturday coming so I don't know how that one went yet :) Gloucestershire was good fun though, good game at 7-21, few learning points, put a name to a face, with progress being made and hopefully rolling onto next week!
Shamazing.
I have ipswich2 v Colchester2 this weekend. Both first teams are lvl6 London 1's should be a corker.

DrSTU
16-09-14, 07:09
Ooh, I might send the family along to heckle you then :)


Percy Park vs. Horden is the Saturday coming so I don't know how that one went yet :) Gloucestershire was good fun though, good game at 7-21, few learning points, put a name to a face, with progress being made and hopefully rolling onto next week!

DrSTU
16-09-14, 07:09
Back to Cambridge rugby for me! Rumour has it that if I ref 2 more games there, the changing room is getting renamed in my honor.

Development v Coventry 2 on Saturday and then on the 23rd it's Shelford v Cambridge uni in their selection game.

Blackberry
16-09-14, 08:09
Tomorrow I've got Royal Latin vs Dr. Challoners.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
16-09-14, 12:09
Tomorrow I've got Royal Latin vs Dr. Challoners.

Sounds like a variety of rose and a brand of pile ointment.

Camquin
16-09-14, 17:09
Dr Stu - only if you provide a new lock.
But do not ask the Redruth team about that until after the match please

DrSTU
16-09-14, 22:09
They've got a lovely new lock on the door and I keep forgetting the code to it and locking myself out!



Dr Stu - only if you provide a new lock.
But do not ask the Redruth team about that until after the match please

Daftmedic
18-09-14, 13:09
Sooooooo I'm being assessed again on the weekend. This one is a big one

Adam
18-09-14, 14:09
Sooooooo I'm being assessed again on the weekend. This one is a big one

Two in the first three weeks of the season? That's great news! Where are you, and who have you got?

Daftmedic
18-09-14, 15:09
It's my third. My first was the Suffolk plate prelim the week before the start. I have Colchester 2 v Thipswich2. Both 1sts are London 1 should be a humdinger.
I've got some chill out music in the iPod for before the game. Already nervous. Then next week exchange to holland.

Adam
18-09-14, 21:09
It's my third. My first was the Suffolk plate prelim the week before the start. I have Colchester 2 v Thipswich2. Both 1sts are London 1 should be a humdinger.
I've got some chill out music in the iPod for before the game. Already nervous. Then next week exchange to holland.

So you'll be listening to 'Frozen' then pre-match? ;)

winchesterref
18-09-14, 22:09
I've good 2 weeks off now, blimmin holiday right as the season kicks off. Her at home doesn't seem to understand! Back on 4th Oct and will be itching for it again!

Good luck DM

pwhaling
19-09-14, 00:09
First game in Michigan:
Tri-City Babarians RFC @ Michigan RFC
Looking forward to getting out of my comfort zone in New York.

Jacko
19-09-14, 08:09
Nottingham v Jersey on Sunday for me.

Daftmedic
19-09-14, 09:09
So you'll be listening to 'Frozen' then pre-match? ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

Wedgie
19-09-14, 16:09
First one since a 7's tourney at the beginning of May...... and they have only gone and given me an U18 match. Methinks I will be aching, come Sunday morning.....

Daftmedic
20-09-14, 08:09
I've good 2 weeks off now, blimmin holiday right as the season kicks off. Her at home doesn't seem to understand! Back on 4th Oct and will be itching for it again!

Good luck DM

thank you

WombleRef
20-09-14, 22:09
Well after DaftMedic abandoned me at Colchester - I've finished until at least Christmas with Suffolk & NE (even though I did a London area game today... don't ask!). Off to MADREFS I go, with highlights of October including a Level 9 University Game, Level 9 League Game and a Level 8 Colts game as well as 3 ladies game on the bounce.

Daftmedic
21-09-14, 08:09
*hand goes up* sorry WombleRef
anyway your abandoning me for Lancashire.......... ( I will show you my maturity)

Daftmedic
21-09-14, 14:09
Got an amazing report. Pats himself on the back

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Got an amazing report. Pats himself on the back

Stuartg
21-09-14, 16:09
Got an amazing report. Pats himself on the back

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Got an amazing report. Pats himself on the back

Where were you this weekend cousin? I did a school 1st XV match yesterday and a colt's game today. Both great games with some speedy rugby. Now lying down and letting my 60 year old body recover!

Daftmedic
21-09-14, 17:09
Colchester2 v Ipswich 2 one side affair.

DrSTU
21-09-14, 20:09
Pfft, better have those legs ready for Tuesday night. I think you might have to run a bit:pepper:
Where were you this weekend cousin? I did a school 1st XV match yesterday and a colt's game today. Both great games with some speedy rugby. Now lying down and letting my 60 year old body recover!

Stuartg
21-09-14, 20:09
Pfft, better have those legs ready for Tuesday night. I think you might have to run a bit:pepper:

I'll only be in trouble if both you and JE pull up injured. If this happens then Law 30 comes into effect.

Law 30? No running allowed by the players.

Daftmedic
21-09-14, 20:09
Presidents XV saturday. I must of impressed.

WombleRef
21-09-14, 21:09
*hand goes up* sorry WombleRef anyway your abandoning me for Lancashire.......... ( I will show you my maturity)

Go beat a Winger to the try line! :p

Next Weekend - Moving into uni and getting drunk!

Daftmedic
21-09-14, 21:09
I actually gave them a head start WombleRef.

WombleRef
21-09-14, 22:09
I actually gave them a head start WombleRef.

What at getting drunk or the race?

Daftmedic
21-09-14, 22:09
No. I left the latter till I got home.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
22-09-14, 10:09
Hooray at last.

I have my first L8 appointment of the season.

Yorkshire 2 - Roundhegians (Leeds) v West Leeds (also from Leeds :biggrin:)

Roundhegians have had their pitch relaid and apparently this is the first game on it. No more "Somme like" conditions in the far bottom corner - hooray!!

The last Y2 game I did (last Nov) was a West Leeds game before my back gave out (again) and the West Leeds game before that my calf gave out at half time - I should borrow Stephen Hawking's chair to referee in.

Adam
22-09-14, 11:09
Hooray at last.

I have my first L8 appointment of the season.

Yorkshire 2 - Roundhegians (Leeds) v West Leeds (also from Leeds :biggrin:)

Roundhegians have had their pitch relaid and apparently this is the first game on it. No more "Somme like" conditions in the far bottom corner - hooray!!

The last Y2 game I did (last Nov) was a West Leeds game before my back gave out (again) and the West Leeds game before that my calf gave out at half time - I should borrow Stephen Hawking's chair to referee in.

Very good. Hopefully not third time unlucky! Did you like our newest recruit on Saturday?

Sedbergh School vs. Merchiston Castle first teams this Saturday for me. Should be good fun, and a nice way to round off the month. Long drive for a school game, big expenses claim!

Jacko
22-09-14, 11:09
big expenses claim!

I imagine my trip to Cornish Pirates on Sunday (having been reserve at Leicester on Saturday) may just edge it!

Lee Lifeson-Peart
22-09-14, 11:09
Did you like our newest recruit on Saturday?



I had a very quick word with him - he has a Y2 game (he did say but I can't remember) next week then the week after that Bridlington v Scarborough!!! hoo hoo! :wow:

He had Ken Bracewell (RFU) watching him.

He was ok - I have my thoughts, but not for on here.

Daftmedic
22-09-14, 18:09
I've been moved and guess what?
assessment time again.
Ih and Sunday off to the delights of Eindhoven for a shmoke and a panncake(exchange).

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I've been moved and guess what?
assessment time again.
Ih and Sunday off to the delights of Eindhoven for a shmoke and a panncake(exchange).

anyone else getting double post with ios8?:chin:

Phil E
23-09-14, 09:09
Saturday Tigers v Exiles :Nerv:
Sunday morning U16's. :knuppel2:

TheBFG
23-09-14, 10:09
Got what I thought was going to be a juicy L6, but last years relegated L5 team have struggled this year and "apparently" only one on Saturday due to a dodgy ref (that's for another thread!)

North Petherton v Avonmouth

Womble
23-09-14, 16:09
Got what I thought was going to be a juicy L6, but last years relegated L5 team have struggled this year and "apparently" only one on Saturday due to a dodgy ref (that's for another thread!)

North Petherton v Avonmouth

Can't see that being much good, both teams seam to be struggling !

irishref
24-09-14, 09:09
I have a 370km round trip for this Sunday's game - not bad going for such a small country!

crossref
24-09-14, 09:09
I have a 370km round trip for this Sunday's game - not bad going for such a small country!

I have a journey of just 7 km, across West London :smile:
I would be sensible to allow 40 minutes :shrug:

DrSTU
24-09-14, 15:09
Or cycle.

I have a journey of just 7 km, across West London :smile:
I would be sensible to allow 40 minutes :shrug:

crossref
24-09-14, 15:09
yeah... perhaps.
I cycle a lot but I'm loathe to cycle to referee a game - I have too much to carry with me.

I cycled to the Rugby-Rocks 10s but on that day my change of clothes was shorts and t-shirt, and it was warm so no tracksuit, no hoody, not rain jacket. travelling light. Still managed to lose my TJ flags which wormed their way out my bag on the way home.

crossref
24-09-14, 17:09
Found out I am being assessed this week :-)

Daftmedic
24-09-14, 18:09
I have a 370km round trip for this Sunday's game - not bad going for such a small country!

Amature. Pfffff. 1110km

Dixie
24-09-14, 18:09
Amature. Pfffff. 1110km And The Netherlands is an even smaller country!

beckett50
24-09-14, 20:09
I have the delights of a trip to Somerset this weekend.

Doing Bridgewater for their match against Bideford. Should be fun.

Rushforth
24-09-14, 20:09
I have a journey of just 7 km, across West London :smile:
I would be sensible to allow 40 minutes :shrug:

I drove the 18 miles from Canary Wharf to the Lensbury Club in significantly less than that, once.

My journeys this weekend will be about 10km each way.

Daftmedic
24-09-14, 21:09
Again Nethelhallanduthland or whatever you call yourselves. Actually looking forward to my vvvv long but rewarding day

ctrainor
25-09-14, 20:09
50 mile trip up the coast to Workington v Silloth hopefully the Northern rail cattle trucks are running and I don't have to drive!

Adam
28-09-14, 21:09
Hooray at last.

I have my first L8 appointment of the season.

Yorkshire 2 - Roundhegians (Leeds) v West Leeds (also from Leeds :biggrin:)

Roundhegians have had their pitch relaid and apparently this is the first game on it. No more "Somme like" conditions in the far bottom corner - hooray!!

The last Y2 game I did (last Nov) was a West Leeds game before my back gave out (again) and the West Leeds game before that my calf gave out at half time - I should borrow Stephen Hawking's chair to referee in.

By all accounts (LLP telling me), he did well. No moans or gripes I've seen so far on the Yorkshire Rugby Forums.

Really pleased, deserves it after such a long lay off.

WombleRef
30-09-14, 23:09
I have an 'unofficial' University trial match tommorow - effectively a Level 6 game. May also be repeating this on Friday! On a 3G Pitch... Any differences to expect regarding Scrums etc?

Then on Saturday I have my first adult match up here in Kirkby Lonsdale - L11. Looking forward to it!!

Owen Bisto Taylor
01-10-14, 02:10
Huntingdon 2nds v Bletchley 2nds... since getting a car i've been all over the place (cheers Dad)

Daftmedic
01-10-14, 07:10
Suffolk Plate. Felixstowe v Thorpness

Adam
01-10-14, 09:10
L6 Manchester Exchange. Vale of Lune vs. Bolton.

First trip back to Manchester since leaving to go to university in 2010. Looking forward to it!

Lee Lifeson-Peart
01-10-14, 10:10
Yorkshire 2 (L8)

Goole v Leeds Medics and Dentists

The two promoted teams from Y3 last year.

Should be good.

oldman
01-10-14, 11:10
Adam, the lancs will let you back in?
Must have been a quiet 3 years at Uni!

WombleRef
01-10-14, 11:10
Suffolk Plate. Felixstowe v Thorpness

Good luck with that one buddy!

It will be an interesting fixture to say the least!

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L6 Manchester Exchange. Vale of Lune vs. Bolton.

First trip back to Manchester since leaving to go to university in 2010. Looking forward to it!

My new home club! Hope it goes well!

Phil E
01-10-14, 11:10
I have an 'unofficial' University trial match tommorow -

Then on Saturday I have my first adult match up here in Kirkby Lonsdale - L11. Looking forward to it!!

Proof if ever it was needed that Students ARE NOT adults :biggrin:

TheBFG
01-10-14, 11:10
Nothing, slight tear in the flexor digitorum longus or the Soleus (I think) :sad:

WombleRef
01-10-14, 11:10
Proof if ever it was needed that Students ARE NOT adults :biggrin:

It's Freshers and knowing I had this game I didn't drink last night. Proof we are?

But I can feel the onset of Freshers Flu... it sucks to be honest.

Phil E
01-10-14, 12:10
Nothing, slight tear in the flexor digitorum longus or the Soleus (I think) :sad:

Have you taken it to the garage?
Get it up on the ramp lad.

TheBFG
01-10-14, 12:10
no but I did have a sadistic b**ch work her elbow into it last night

Phil E
01-10-14, 12:10
no but I did have a sadistic b**ch work her elbow into it last night


People pay good money for that kind of treatment.......does Mrs BFG know?

Lee Lifeson-Peart
01-10-14, 12:10
no but I did have a sadistic b**ch work her elbow into it last night

Up to the elbow??? :wow:

Oh sorry my mistake.

TheBFG
01-10-14, 12:10
People pay good money for that kind of treatment.......does Mrs BFG know?

yep, no sympathy there!

DrSTU
01-10-14, 21:10
That made cottage cheese come out my nose you *******!
Up to the elbow??? :wow:

Oh sorry my mistake.

Daftmedic
02-10-14, 07:10
no but I did have a sadistic b**ch work her elbow into it last night

I swear down they should rename the profession to Physical Terrorist.

Daftmedic
02-10-14, 07:10
Suffolk Plate. Felixstowe v Thorpness

And Sunday I have Colchester colts v Wymundham

FlipFlop
02-10-14, 08:10
Am off to Bosnia & Herzegovina for Bosnia & Herzegovina v Bulgaria in the ENC 2D.

Should be fun fun fun......

(my first official competitive international)

Simon Thomas
02-10-14, 09:10
Am off to Bosnia & Herzegovina for Bosnia & Herzegovina v Bulgaria in the ENC 2D.

Should be fun fun fun......

(my first official competitive international)

Many congrats on the appointment, you deserve it after a lot if hard work, often without the support and back-up we in the so called top-tier countries take for granted in our Society and Union.

Do let Nick Cousins know, he will be interested to hear about the achievements of an ex-London Society man.

FlipFlop
02-10-14, 13:10
Many congrats on the appointment, you deserve it after a lot if hard work, often without the support and back-up we in the so called top-tier countries take for granted in our Society and Union.

Do let Nick Cousins know, he will be interested to hear about the achievements of an ex-London Society man.

Thanks Simon. Would have happened sooner, but for the injuries that have plagued me for a while.

It takes a lot of work, not just referee/fitness type stuff. We've had to change the attitude of those running the ref side (which means change in personnel!) and get more professional, to get back into the Rugby Europe (formally known as FIRA-AER) fold. And had to attend a lot of "basic" courses, get out on exchange, put ourselves on display numerous times, and finally we have 2 Swiss Refs appointed to RE games. Now we have the pressure not to mess it up, as things still fragile.

But yes - lack of training sessions for us (well - the top guys are the trainers, so it doesn't help us), lack of assessments (so little feedback on our games), no coaches to help us develop, and we see the same teams week after week..... Not easy. Which is why having some of the mugs helpful people on here to view video etc has been very helpful.:biggrin:

I'm sure word will get back to Nick - I'm still in touch with lots of the London West guys and girls.

WombleRef
02-10-14, 17:10
What could possibly go wrong.

High fever, chesty cough, blocked sinuses and dodgy ears.

3 games in 3 days. Lancaster University Trial Game on Friday. Kirkby 3s v Vale of Lune 4s on Saturday and Kirkby U18s v Anselmians U18s on Sunday. So a Level 6, Level 11 and Level 8 game. Hello all of the drugs ever & Energy Drinks.

Adam
02-10-14, 20:10
Adam, the lancs will let you back in?
Must have been a quiet 3 years at Uni!

I know mate, I was part of the Cheshire contingent though. Only 3 years...I wish! This is my 5th year!

Pinky
02-10-14, 22:10
Am off to Bosnia & Herzegovina for Bosnia & Herzegovina v Bulgaria in the ENC 2D.

Should be fun fun fun......

(my first official competitive international)

Congratulation, ff

Daftmedic
03-10-14, 07:10
Watch out for the land mines. Beutiful country though

Phil E
03-10-14, 09:10
Watch out for the land mines.

On the pitch?
Interesting defensive technique. Of course you need to win the toss :wow:

Daftmedic
03-10-14, 09:10
Yes. On the pitch.

Browner
03-10-14, 11:10
Up to the elbow??? :wow:

Oh sorry my mistake.
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irishref
03-10-14, 13:10
day off to help my club, but my Achilles tendon is complaining. I am scheduled for 2 games, with another game inbetween for rest and stretching.

winchesterref
03-10-14, 19:10
Worcester for me.

Jacko
03-10-14, 20:10
Bedford v Jersey for me.

Daftmedic
03-10-14, 23:10
day off to help my club, but my Achilles tendon is complaining. I am scheduled for 2 games, with another game inbetween for rest and stretching.
There were no dancing girls in Eindhoven Irishref. NO Dancing girls I tell thee.

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Phil E
04-10-14, 10:10
Mud, mud, glorious mud.
Gonna be some fun games today :biggrin:

Lee Lifeson-Peart
04-10-14, 10:10
Mud, mud, glorious mud.
Gonna be some fun games today :biggrin:

Goole in the rain - spiffing! :biggrin:

Phil E
04-10-14, 10:10
I'm hoping it will slow my Colts game down a bit?

Daftmedic
05-10-14, 00:10
Omg. I was video assessed and everything today. Had a good game. Not great. But good a little lazy in places.
Then BOOM two wingers went at it like horney male kangaroos in mating season.
It was recorded.

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Omg. I was video assessed and everything today. Had a good game. Not great. But good a little lazy in places.
Then BOOM two wingers went at it like horney male kangaroos in mating season.
It was recorded.

beckett50
05-10-14, 15:10
Omg. I was video assessed and everything today. Had a good game. Not great. But good a little lazy in places.
Then BOOM two wingers went at it like horney male kangaroos in mating season.
It was recorded.

- - - Updated - - -

Omg. I was video assessed and everything today. Had a good game. Not great. But good a little lazy in places.
Then BOOM two wingers went at it like horney male kangaroos in mating season.
It was recorded.

Should help the Disciplinary Panel make a swift and correct judgement then

Daftmedic
05-10-14, 15:10
I was a good boy. I had the video rendered edited and reports done that night.

WombleRef
05-10-14, 22:10
I was a good boy. I had the video rendered edited and reports done that night.

Was there no port available that night then? :p

Had a good game today I felt. Ended 55-10. Managed to encourage some good, fluid and attacking rugby out of the two sides. Wasn't impressed by the Home Head Coach or their supporters, but lets not worry about that.

Kind of worried I was too lenient though. I ended up giving a yellow with 5 to go for going into the ruck with a leading foot and studs out - luckily no contact was made or it would have been a red!

Could have given about 4 or 5 before then, but made sure I walked away first to think and I convinced myself to not give them.

Winning side gave me 4/5 because I forgot to tell the Captain (only told the coach) I would be harsh on them at 35odd-5 up and thus failed on management a little bit. Losing side gave me 4/5 but said I was poor on the advantage and did not apply laws correctly or consistently - especially at the ruck.
On the advantage - load of bollocks. I know that at least 2 of my advantages led to Tries. On the laws - only because I was trying to get a game going instead of a try fest for the winning team, so I was alot harsher to one side instead of the other when it came to the breakdown. Losing side got the 'benefit of the doubt' alot more - shame they couldn't understand this.

Daftmedic
05-10-14, 23:10
No WombleRef I i didn't have to put you to bed @ 8 either.

WombleRef
05-10-14, 23:10
No WombleRef I i didn't have to put you to bed @ 8 either.

Well that was inevitable.

I've done alot worse than that night this freshers week buddy!

FlipFlop
06-10-14, 12:10
Was glad of the "no guns" sign at the stadium last weekend. But still managed a home win!

3030

Browner
06-10-14, 12:10
Was there no port available that night then? :p

Had a good game today I felt. Ended 55-10. Managed to encourage some good, fluid and attacking rugby out of the two sides. Wasn't impressed by the Home Head Coach or their supporters, but lets not worry about that.

Kind of worried I was too lenient though. I ended up giving a yellow with 5 to go for going into the ruck with a leading foot and studs out - luckily no contact was made or it would have been a red!

Could have given about 4 or 5 before then, but made sure I walked away first to think and I convinced myself to not give them.

Winning side gave me 4/5 because I forgot to tell the Captain (only told the coach) I would be harsh on them at 35odd-5 up and thus failed on management a little bit. Losing side gave me 4/5 but said I was poor on the advantage and did not apply laws correctly or consistently - especially at the ruck.
On the advantage - load of bollocks. I know that at least 2 of my advantages led to Tries. On the laws - only because I was trying to get a game going instead of a try fest for the winning team, so I was alot harsher to one side instead of the other when it came to the breakdown. Losing side got the 'benefit of the doubt' alot more - shame they couldn't understand this.

Maybe a referee applying x2 differing standards simply confused them?
Did they want your 'sympathy' ???

WombleRef
06-10-14, 16:10
Maybe a referee applying x2 differing standards simply confused them?
Did they want your 'sympathy' ???

Browner - they are kids remember. When in the second half the game turned into - try scored, conversion taken, losing side kick off, winning side break through tackles, try scored, repeat for about 5 minutes - something needed to be done. So I was harsher to the winning side. Simple as. I've done it before to great effect in similar situations and have done as well to others.

And in fairness the game actually became competitive and after a few penalties against the winning side, there wasn't really many penalties at all. With some end to end, flowing rugby, Losing side got a try, and the winning side got a few more as well and you could see the players enjoy it.

To quote the away team's report on me - 'The Ref's intention to keep the game fair when the opposition went 40 points down was spot on'

The home team coach and the crowd seemingly couldn't cope with this.

Browner
06-10-14, 17:10
Browner - they are kids remember. When in the second half the game turned into - try scored, conversion taken, losing side kick off, winning side break through tackles, try scored, repeat for about 5 minutes - something needed to be done. So I was harsher to the winning side. Simple as. I've done it before to great effect in similar situations and have done as well to others.

And in fairness the game actually became competitive and after a few penalties against the winning side, there wasn't really many penalties at all. With some end to end, flowing rugby, Losing side got a try, and the winning side got a few more as well and you could see the players enjoy it.

To quote the away team's report on me - 'The Ref's intention to keep the game fair when the opposition went 40 points down was spot on'

The home team coach and the crowd seemingly couldn't cope with this.

With due respect, You might think you did good job, but i dont. Leave game levelling to the coaches.... Not a referees job, simples!

I don't support a differing standards in the same match ethos, how is any player supposed to learn what's expected if the referee isn't consistent or oscillates based on who's winning

Coaches have many better ways to level the contest, at their disposal, and a suggestive nudge can often stimulate their creativity !

WombleRef
06-10-14, 17:10
With due respect, You might think you did good job, but i dont. Leave game levelling to the coaches.... Not a referees job, simples!

I don't support a differing standards in the same match ethos, how is any player supposed to learn what's expected if the referee isn't consistent or oscillates based on who's winning

Coaches have many better ways to level the contest, at their disposal, and a suggestive nudge can often stimulate their creativity !

Sorry - but our job is to facilitate an enjoyable game. My 3 big success criteria in ANY game are: 1) Did the players enjoy it? 2) Did I enjoy it? 3) Did I do the best I could? (There's also the technical stuff that I care about, but they are more contributory compared to that).

Now when a side is losing like they are. The players aren't enjoying it, the crowd aren't enjoying it, and I am not enjoying it.

It is established practice as a coach and a referee in youth rugby to try and manage a mismatch either in the scrum or in general play. Youth Rugby includes U18s.

Perhaps I went a little too far in the management considering they are in a league. Which I have never had to deal with before. But, in the couple of years I have been involved in coaching, and refereeing, when it has become necessary, it has worked well, and allowed the losing side to enjoy the game more.

Oh, and even if you disagree - I would do it again.

Daftmedic
06-10-14, 17:10
Touch gloves. I want a nice clean fair contest.

crossref
06-10-14, 17:10
wombleref - I know where you are coming from, but I agree with Browner : it's the coaches job to level up a game, not the referee's.
You should always ref everything straight, as soon as you start delibrately favouring one side (for any reason, even with the best of intentions) I think you are on a dangerous path.

Also - if it was a league game there's almost certainly a maximum points difference (?) that takes account of the mismatch. In most youth leagues when you get to that, the game ends and the two teams can play on as a friendly. If your levelling delayed / prevented the maximum difference being achieved then you may even have prolonged the agony :-(

Rushforth
06-10-14, 18:10
wombleref - I know where you are coming from, but I agree with Browner : it's the coaches job to level up a game, not the referee's.
You should always ref everything straight, as soon as you start delibrately favouring one side (for any reason, even with the best of intentions) I think you are on a dangerous path.

Also - if it was a league game there's almost certainly a maximum points difference (?) that takes account of the mismatch. In most youth leagues when you get to that, the game ends and the two teams can play on as a friendly. If your levelling delayed / prevented the maximum difference being achieved then you may even have prolonged the agony :-(

Here in Holland, the regulation for youth matches is that if there is 30 points difference at half time, the teams should mix. The side that is losing never wants to; they'd rather play together.

I find it very difficult not to referee what I see equitably, but there is more danger in what I don't see at all than perhaps some leniency towards the end of a game where one side is getting thrashed. Such leniency is not "deliberately favouring one side", but rather being less tolerant of minor technical offences by players on the winning side.

I'm firmly in WombleRefs camp, perhaps not as to detail, but rugby remains a game for me, and games are meant to be enjoyed. My personal enjoyment comes from ensuring as safe a match as I can which sometimes includes making sure the losing side benefits from my accidentally missing something.

My match yesterday had long advantages for high tackles brought back to penalties. The weaker side were the ones penalised for their poor tackling technique. The stronger side probably gave away as many penalties in total, but more for technical offences. Both teams wanted to play, so they did.

crossref
06-10-14, 19:10
of course the referee must ensure the game is safe. We weren't talking about safety.
I don't think it's appropriate for the referee to apply the Laws in an unbalanced way to even up a game.
The coaches, between them, can even up the game.

SimonSmith
07-10-14, 00:10
You really need to consider your position if I'm agreeing with Browner.

18 year olds don't have the maturity of adults. You think you're leveling up for the losing side. There's every chance there's a pissed off winning kid who doesn't grok what you're doing, and just wants to stick it to the opposition.

You're not helping him at all.

WombleRef
07-10-14, 02:10
You really need to consider your position if I'm agreeing with Browner.

18 year olds don't have the maturity of adults. You think you're leveling up for the losing side. There's every chance there's a pissed off winning kid who doesn't grok what you're doing, and just wants to stick it to the opposition.

You're not helping him at all.

Well I'm an 18 year old referee. Perhaps I should just give up as I'm not mature enough to referee a game safely.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
07-10-14, 08:10
Given that you say yourself that the recipients of your lenient approach didn't appreciate it then it begs the question why bother doing it (in the future). IMO in terms of refereeing safely and equitably the best you can do in a one sided game at that age is ensure that the winners are not taking the piss out of their opponents and keep a lid on any sledging based on the score (or anything else for that matter). Some captains at 18 will take that on board and will react accordingly others won't because they're useless captains or perhaps immature.

Don't get unduly defensive about SimonSmith's statements about age/maturity - generally it's true and not a dig at you.

I have a son (20 yrs of age) who referees (he's in here lurking somewhere) and he is a much more in control individual when refereeing than when he's playing (or watching) so even the part an individual plays in the game colours their view of what's going on.

Don't assume any players of any age will view your intentions the way you expect. Unless you annouce loudly to the captains that once the score gets to +50 you'll be favouring the losers then subtle leanings towards one side over the other will be either missed totally or misconstrued as incompetence/tiredness/apathy.

You can of course favour the losers in a one sider but don't be upset they're not gushing with thanks when you do.

As you progress you'll realise you're not there to be their friend - be friendly but not to the exclusion of being equitable.

Keep up the good work. You sound like you're enjoying it and the new move up North will improve your refereeing as you will no doubt only be used to running and kicking and not much else.

Daftmedic
07-10-14, 08:10
Surely not a son that old LFP?

Lee Lifeson-Peart
07-10-14, 08:10
Surely not a son that old LFP?

If you must fawn get my initials right! :biggrin:

There's nothing worse than a dyslexic sycophant! Or a Turdy as I like to call them.

Since you ask - I have two sons 23 and 20 (Mr Bisto of this parish)

Daftmedic
07-10-14, 09:10
Yer new iOS 8. It actually changes the words to what it wants.
I haven't been called bisto since school. Wait!!!
how did you know my nickname was Gravy?

Lee Lifeson-Peart
07-10-14, 09:10
Yer new iOS 8. It actually changes the words to what it wants.
I haven't been called bisto since school. Wait!!!
how did you know my nickname was Gravy?

Perhaps he's your son?

Daftmedic
07-10-14, 09:10
What WombleRef?
my Son?

Browner
07-10-14, 09:10
Well I'm an 18 year old referee. Perhaps I should just give up as I'm not mature enough to referee a game safely.

This sounds like the typical response of a maturing 18 yr old !

'Safely' was never up for debate.

You're likely doing well as a 18 yr old referee, and get my applause for doing the role.
continue refereeing, and continue learning.
Recognising that game levelling isnt your refereeing role, is part of that.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
07-10-14, 09:10
What WombleRef?
my Son?

No my son -is your son??!!

Look it's quite easy. Listen!

My son has the nickname of Bisto (which he recently picked up at University) as he is from the North and apparently Southerners think the North and Gravy are inextricably linked.

You appear to have had the same or a similar nickname at school.

Got it? :biggrin: Good!

Now re-read what I wrote in the above posts.

I hope this sort of test isn't going to bar your way to National Panel!! :biggrin:

I notice you got very defensive at the suggestion Wombleref is your son!! Methinks the lady doth protest too much!

crossref
07-10-14, 09:10
from posts 211, 212 and 213 I gathered wombleref was daftmedic's son.

Na Madrai
07-10-14, 09:10
Interesting slant this topic has taken.

I am afraid that I cannot bring meself to agree with your last comments Browner, in many cases I have taken it upon meself to level matches where the one team is far superior to the other. League, merit, cup matches, etc.excepted. Part of our job must be to try to assist a coach in ensuring that as many as his team return next week as possible despite their having been on the wrong end of a pasting this week.

A case in point - I was refereeing my old club's youth side. I had managed to keep the score down to below the fifty point differential by judicious refereeing! In the dying seconds, the losing team were awarded a scrum on the opposing twenty-two. The nine put the ball between his own second row's legs, scampered round, picked up and using me as a blocker, beat the ten to score a try in the corner for the end of the match.

In the bar afterwards my explanation to the home team coach, a very old mate ticked off because he wanted the 'nil conceded' recorded, took a little time to accept my comment which was along the lines of - you will have no problem in getting your team out next week. However, the opposition might have a problem but during the week, you can bet your cotton socks that his teams' comments will be along the lines, well, we might have been hammered by them ....... but at least we scored. It gives him a little help.

I repeat, this must only apply in friendlies!

Just my twopence worth as I stand ready to be roasted by one and all!

NM

crossref
07-10-14, 10:10
i think it's vitally important that referees are impartial and unbiased.
an accusation of bias is the worst thing that a player/coach can level at a referee. Do we make mistakes? of course. Could we be better refs? Yes there is always room for improvment. Are we biased ? NO WE ARE NOT.

the answer can't be : "no, we are not biased. Unless of course one team is winning by a long way, and then we might be, a little bit"

IMO that approach undermines everything we do.

Daftmedic
07-10-14, 10:10
No my son -is your son??!!

Look it's quite easy. Listen!

My son has the nickname of Bisto (which he recently picked up at University) as he is from the North and apparently Southerners think the North and Gravy are inextricably linked.

You appear to have had the same or a similar nickname at school.

Got it? :biggrin: Good!

Now re-read what I wrote in the above posts.

I hope this sort of test isn't going to bar your way to National Panel!! :biggrin:

I notice you got very defensive at the suggestion Wombleref is your son!! Methinks the lady doth protest too much!


WombleRef is not my son. Well there was this one incident in colchester which the time frame could make it possible.
Im more distubed that a Yorkshire lad has got to go to Uni:horse::booty:

Anywho. Back on track. My games getting changed this weekend to......:shrug:

Owen Bisto Taylor
07-10-14, 12:10
WombleRef, dont listen to anybody who says about maturity and age. Like the old man said, I'm only 20, played from 5 to 19 when i got injured, had to stop playing... and now i'm doing this every weekend. And I love it! If anybody questions your age or maturity, just show them for the rest of the match that you're totally in control of your decision making. Not saying there isn't added pressure, because there is... i get it all the time, especially from the fat old prop whose 'come to help out'. But then again it helps being 6"2 and having a northern accent! If you need to chat message me and we can chat! And let's be honest, i've had some shocking officials... and they weren't the new breed!

To get this thread back on track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have my first 1st team league game this weekend, L8! Think LLPs little boy is growing up! :shrug:

Northampton Men's Own 1sts v Stockwood Park 1sts

Owen Bisto Taylor
07-10-14, 12:10
im more distubed that a Yorkshire lad has got to go to Uni:horse::booty:

Thought we we're meant to be kicking racism out of sport! :sad:

Phil E
07-10-14, 12:10
Northampton Men's Own 1sts v Stockwood Park 1sts

I did NMO a couple of weeks ago!!



This week I have an AR and a 4th appointment for the Navy tomorrow.
RE v REME at Gibraltar Barracks (Guildford, not The Rock).

Saturday I have a L8 league game with a local team who have a certain reputation for robust forward play!!

Bunniksider
07-10-14, 12:10
To get this thread back on track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have my first 1st team league game this weekend, L8! Think LLPs little boy is growing up! :shrug:

Northampton Men's Own 1sts v Stockwood Park 1sts

I was at Old Scouts a couple of weeks back and my colleague did the Mens Own match. I'll ask him for a bit of feedback at tonights meeting.

Daftmedic
07-10-14, 12:10
Gib barracks isn't Guildford buddy. It's at Blackwater
oh and Bisto
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on Wombels Defence. He is a mature referee. He just can't drink.

Simon Thomas
07-10-14, 13:10
This week I have an AR and a 4th appointment for the Navy tomorrow.
RE v REME at Gibraltar Barracks (Guildford, not The Rock).

Long way to bring you down for an appointment on the Surrey / Hampshire borders - what's wrong with all the matelot's in Portsmouth :-) and especially our co-members.

The barracks are at Camberley / Blackwater, not Guildford.

Phil E
07-10-14, 13:10
Long way to bring you down for an appointment on the Surrey / Hampshire borders - what's wrong with all the matelot's in Portsmouth :-) and especially our co-members.

The barracks are at Camberley / Blackwater, not Guildford.


Well it's a Guildford Postcode, but yes Blackwater.

There are two games on one day, and I fancied a day out and meeting up with some of the other RNRURS guys, so I volunteered.

Daftmedic
07-10-14, 13:10
You did WHAT?
volun........... Huh?..........

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RE have always been strong.
I've got Colne rugby Acadamy v West Suffolk college in Colchester tomorrow.

beckett50
07-10-14, 16:10
Gibraltar Barracks? Now that brings back memories :horse:

WombleRef
08-10-14, 11:10
Saturday - Wigan 3 v Rochdale 3
Sunday - Preston Women v Altrincham Women

Browner
08-10-14, 11:10
Just off to do a schools u15 match 1hr away , appointment sec must've caught me in a good mood ...why why why did I say yes ?!?!!

Having a weekend off, travelling to Cornwall to play golf with 15 x-ruggar mates instead, hotel cider and a shed full of banter, last chance to use clubs before winter weather arrives me thinks

crossref
08-10-14, 11:10
assigned to 2nd XV that - I find, now I check their website - have played only one game this season, at which they fielded just 12 players.

my game has cancellation written all over it :-(

TheBFG
08-10-14, 13:10
Oh I remember those days well. First ever level 10 game I was given (on my birthday), I was v excited, turned up there were 22 players in total! So I rang re-appointments guys who said there were no more games but suggested going to a L5 match not far away and offer to run touch, which I did. However they'd kicked off early so as to watch the 6N match. So I drove to the club closest to my house parked the car and got of the pi$$ for the rest of the day :shrug:

Ovey
08-10-14, 13:10
There are two games on one day, and I fancied a day out and meeting up with some of the other RNRURS guys, so I volunteered.

I was asked to do that one Phil, but unfortunately work requires my presence that day! It would have been a good day. Good luck, and enjoy!