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medavidcook
05-10-14, 14:10
Hey where do people get there's? In my union we have to get them as union don't supply them

If you can let me know

Taff
05-10-14, 14:10
I buy mine from e-Bay. See HERE (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Precision-Training-Linesman-flag-set-football-rugby-/390410020843?pt=UK_Football_Training_Equipment&hash=item5ae64027eb)

I think I paid 5 for the first set - with a chunky upvc pole, foam handles and a clip which holds the flags in place, and I think I paid about 2.50 for replacement flags (ie the fabric) as and when I need them.

Browner
05-10-14, 15:10
Provided you are prepared to wait for delivery........ These from China are perfectly useable. No fancy sleeve though , but at only 2 !!!!!!!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261614609352?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Phil E
05-10-14, 15:10
But if you want something better, then have a look here.

http://www.referee-equipment.co.uk/Catalogue/Flags/Touchline-Flags

I have a set of those for society team if three appointments, and a cheap ebay set for lending to clubs when I'm on my own (in case they don't come back!)

crossref
05-10-14, 17:10
I just bought some from newitts, 10 including postage

Dickie E
06-10-14, 05:10
maybe rugbyref's could have their own?

ctrainor
06-10-14, 12:10
I have never owned flags in 12 years as a ref

crossref
06-10-14, 12:10
I have never owned flags in 12 years as a ref

You do without them ? Or do you persuade the home club to find some for you, every game ?

Lee Lifeson-Peart
06-10-14, 12:10
I have one flag - after a trip to a certain South Yorkshire University left me bereft of his twin - I have never replaced him.

Lots of clubs I visit have a dedicated TJ who in most cases have their own flag so for the times they don't a hand suffices.

A lot of the own flag brigade have a sad cloth version in their cub colours which is no better than an arm anyway in terms of conspicuity.

I like Assoc. Football ones - yellow/orange combo checks/quarters etc - but not to the extent I want to fund the enterprise.

Some of the flags Elite ARs get issued with are pants (little pennants etc) compared to their wendyball bretheren.

crossref
06-10-14, 12:10
I like Assoc. Football ones - yellow/orange combo checks/quarters etc - but not to the extent I want to fund the enterprise.

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that's what I have. I find it much easier to referee when
- I can easily see who the TJ is (and inded that I still have a TJ - not always the case as the game goes on)
- I can easily see what he is signalling (and flag down here is clearly as important as flag up)

Flags last forever (or rather until you lose them) they are easily worth 10 to me, as they free my mind to focus on the game.

ctrainor
06-10-14, 12:10
It's never occurred to me that it is my job to provide flags.
I'd probably lose them and be buying a few sets a season...... I don't get paid for that

crossref
06-10-14, 12:10
It's never occurred to me that it is my job to provide flags.
I'd probably lose them and be buying a few sets a season...... I don't get paid for that

so you do make sure you have TJs -- but don't mind that they don't have a flag ?

Phil E
06-10-14, 12:10
It's never occurred to me that it is my job to provide flags.
I'd probably lose them and be buying a few sets a season...... I don't get paid for that

It makes my life easier if the TJ's have a flag, rather than just waving their arms in the air.
Makes them easier to spot.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
06-10-14, 12:10
so you do make sure you have TJs -- but don't mind that they don't have a flag ?

I know that was for Ciaran but for me yes.

I've got a yellow/orange hi-viz flag - fantastic.

I've got a 8" x 6" flag in brown, gold and black stripes - good.

I haven't got a flag - never mind.

If everyone stays in their respective techinical areas I don't find it a problem and kicks at goal I'm looking at them anyway. I do find it a bit annoying when teams congragate under the posts and I have a shortarse TJ though - maybe a step ladder and a flag would be good there?

crossref
06-10-14, 12:10
If everyone stays in their respective techinical areas I don't find it a problem.

I guess that's the difference.
- I've never refereed a game with a technical area. Just a touchline
- often the TJ is a sub (who hands the flag to another sub when he goes on), other times he will be a spectator (perhaps an injured player, or a dad, or coach) and will look like any other spectator.
- on the touchline will be other subs and other assorted spectators.

If the TJ has no flag I will completely unable to pick him out.
If there are a lot of people on the touchline watching, then a TJ without a flag is almost useless.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
06-10-14, 13:10
There have been odd occasions when a flag in the hand of the untrained can be just as problematical as non at all - when they think they can flag for knock ons or forward passes -not so much now but when I was well covered in weeds.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
06-10-14, 13:10
Not that it's going to bother me now so much but do advisors take any note of the provision of flags? And/or put the onus on the referee to provide any in lieu of the TJ not having his/her own?

I've never heard of it so I guess not but there's always one! :biggrin:

Taff
06-10-14, 13:10
It's never occurred to me that it is my job to provide flags. I'd probably lose them and be buying a few sets a season...... I don't get paid for that
You don't have to supply flags, but if you want to make life easier for yourself then I suggest you do. Only once have I had a flag disappear - it was after an U15 school game and the away side lost heavily. Funnily enough the flag the away team had never came back, but after a polite text to their coach it miraculously found it's way back to my office the next day. The poles are indestructible, but the fabric suffers with wear and tear etc. But even I can stretch to 2.50 for a replacement set.


It makes my life easier if the TJ's have a flag, rather than just waving their arms in the air. Makes them easier to spot.
Exactly. And if they're easier to spot, it makes everybody's life easier.

Browner
06-10-14, 13:10
A basic equipment purchase should be claimable as an expense via your referee society.

some say they shouldn't be expected to fund, & in the lead up to multi- million RWC this is even more relevant.

crossref
06-10-14, 13:10
I have never had anyone nick a flag.
I have left my flags behind in the changing room a few times though :-(

I don't really have a view as to who 'should' be buying them. Even if the Socirty did (for sake of arguemnt) supply everyone with a pair flags, it would hardly make much difference as I wouldn't expect them to replace the flags after I lost them.

Anyway I bought flags well before I joined the Scoiety.

FWIW - the LSRFUR does have flags for sale to their refs - but seeing as they cost 30 (splutter) I don't suppose they sell many !

crossref
06-10-14, 13:10
There have been odd occasions when a flag in the hand of the untrained can be just as problematical as non at all - when they think they can flag for knock ons or forward passes -not so much now but when I was well covered in weeds.

yes, occasionally that happens.
But it's not a big problem, if it happens just have a quick word to explain.

Simon Thomas
06-10-14, 14:10
Not that it's going to bother me now so much but do advisors take any note of the provision of flags? And/or put the onus on the referee to provide any in lieu of the TJ not having his/her own?

I've never heard of it so I guess not but there's always one! :biggrin:

1. Serious comment - always try to supply or ensure the TJs have flags in every match you do. When running a To3 always have flags. They are a basic management requirement for effective communication and control. Flags are basic equipment like boots, short/shorts etc, none of which we pay for as a Society, but is up to the referee to purchase.

2. Less serious comment - I expect to watch Society Refs with flags (RFU, Society or their own), clean black boots (white laces optional Simon Smith), socks with tie ups, neatly pressed shirt tucked into neatly pressed shorts (no lycra visible), with an ACME Thunderer metal whistle. :biggrin:

3. Background comments - when I joined our Society in 2000 I was given a pair of green/yellow cloth flags (home made by a Committee member's wife), and told to go to B&Q to buy a broomstick and two plastic garden hoe handles. After using a saw and some super glue, I had a pair of flags - still got them !
When we had some sponsorship money one year, we bought TJ flags for all active referees - 100 refs and 10 a set of flags - you do the maths ! But not the 25 quality flags RFU use and London Society dished out some years ago.
Then for 8 seasons we had no sponsor, so we sold bought in bulk TJ flags via our Deeps' Society Haberdashery shop at a subsidised price.
Now we have a sponsor again, we have supplied our regular refs with special flags in their colours with company name, tel number and email on them.

Simon Thomas
06-10-14, 14:10
A basic equipment purchase should be claimable as an expense via your referee society.

some say they shouldn't be expected to fund, & in the lead up to multi- million RWC this is even more relevant.

Some Societies do make basic kit (shirts, shorts, socks) available through sponsorship, but more Societies cannot afford to equip their members, so most basic equipment is paid for by the referee as part of his/her hobby (shirts, shorts, socks, boots, whistle, flags, etc). We cannot pay for kit out of the match fees which are already being pushed back on by clubs as it is.

Referee Societies get ZERO funding from the RFU direct (only via their CB and as part of the overall funding submission for precise projects such as Club referee recruitment & training.

Even at Panel and Group levels the 'stash' has dried up and only basic short/shorts, socks, tracksuit / waterproof, polo, and tie are supplied. The Panel guys used to get boots but that stopped a few seasons ago.

Certainly at Group level a whole tier of paid RFU dedicated staff was removed, insread volunteers used to cover the roles, and numbers of coaches/observers cut drastically to reduce travel expenses.

Browner
06-10-14, 15:10
My jaundiced experience is that organisations are always able to find resources if they deem it necessary.

I was offered a Beenie hat the other day, produced by the marketeers of "head case" .... ( the validity of the cause isn't debated )

Whilst referees are told they have no option but to self fund, they will ........ Im Surprised I don't have to carry my own post protectors in my car !! (Sarc)

Maybe we should resist buying our own and instead should ask clubs to wave a 6ft touch flag, the stupidity of the same would get the message across that need to provide their own equipment.

Don't burden vounteer refs financially gets my vote.

Pegleg
06-10-14, 20:10
The WRU provides kit every year. Last year it was a very fetching pink. No flags though.

Dickie E
07-10-14, 05:10
they use tree branches in Tonga