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TheBFG
21-10-14, 14:10
I have seen pics this season and last (one side with there shirts inside out) and also noticed a comment in a report posted in another thread about "clashes of colours" :shrug:

How can this happen with the 'tinternet, don't people look at what colours sides are going to wear?? Surely you need to know for you own kit or do you just go with the "I'll pack 3, one will be ok!"

I always make a point of looking at up to date pics of clubs as colours do change, to ensure there's no clash, if there is, when a club calls to confirm their fixture I make sure they tell the opponents to change their shirts.

And before anyone says, down here in the SW it's the away team that changes!

crossref
21-10-14, 15:10
I always pack three shirts -- doesn't everyone? My shirts just live in my kit bag.

I do look at the club colours but it's not uncommon for any particular team to be wearing different kit from the website - especially if they are a 2nd XV (Or recently went on tour!)

I have twice brought up a potential clash when the club calls me. Both times the answer was 'No, don't worry, we've played them loads of times it will be OK. Anyway if it's really a problem on the day we'll sort it out - turn our shirts inside out. Or they will - don't worry" So there wasn't much point.

Adam
21-10-14, 15:10
I always pack three shirts -- doesn't everyone? My shirts just live in my kit bag.

I do look at the club colours but it's not uncommon for any particular team to be wearing different kit from the website - especially if they are a 2nd XV (Or recently went on tour!)

I have twice brought up a potential clash when the club calls me. Both times the answer was 'No, don't worry, we've played them loads of times it will be OK. Anyway if it's really a problem on the day we'll sort it out - turn our shirts inside out. Or they will - don't worry" So there wasn't much point.

Sounds like someone will be in the bin after the 3rd penalty then for repeated infringements... :sarc:

crossref
21-10-14, 15:10
true, it's no ideal.
so far it's not happened. I had one game this season with was tow variations of blue/red -- we just lived with it. They looked a bit similar from the front, more different from the back, it wasn't too bad.

TheBFG
21-10-14, 15:10
"White no hands!" Ping

"white no hands!" Ping

"white no hands!" Ping and "see ya!"

"What me?????"

OB..
21-10-14, 16:10
The whys and wherefores are myriad, but the fact is that from time to time mix-ups occur. The standard of organisation at low levels tends to match the standard of play.

Browner
21-10-14, 17:10
I always ask the fixture confirmer to "ensure no colour clash" & " refer back to me if any doubt exists" the onus is then on home side to sort.

Next saturdays white & blue horizontals v blue & white horizontals have already been flagged up, but I could still do with some washoffable black paint to spray the blue socks of one team !

WombleRef
21-10-14, 23:10
I have seen pics this season and last (one side with there shirts inside out) and also noticed a comment in a report posted in another thread about "clashes of colours" :shrug:

How can this happen with the 'tinternet, don't people look at what colours sides are going to wear?? Surely you need to know for you own kit or do you just go with the "I'll pack 3, one will be ok!"

I always make a point of looking at up to date pics of clubs as colours do change, to ensure there's no clash, if there is, when a club calls to confirm their fixture I make sure they tell the opponents to change their shirts.

And before anyone says, down here in the SW it's the away team that changes!

In my case (from the report), both Home and Away play in Black and White.

I had Yellow, Orange and Green kits with me.

Home's second choice kit was Green... so that's a kit I haven't worn yet! (I'm not wearing my new blue one as it makes me look fatter than I am)


I asked the home side to change because our league regulations quite rightly ask the home side to change in the case of a clash.

Home sides should change as to be honest it is easier to manage, and doesn't rely on away sides too much.

Forgetting to change at home is easier than away.

talbazar
22-10-14, 01:10
The whys and wherefores are myriad, but the fact is that from time to time mix-ups occur. The standard of organisation at low levels tends to match the standard of play.

Or is it the other way around? :biggrin:

Ian_Cook
22-10-14, 02:10
The whys and wherefores are myriad, but the fact is that from time to time mix-ups occur. The standard of organisation at low levels tends to match the standard of play.

No always OB..

When I was refereeing in Canterbury, the referee's kit was a white long-sleeved jersey with CRFU logo on the breast, and white shorts. The only team that clashed with that was HSOB (High School Old Boys). They were affiliated with Christchurch Boys High School (who played under the banner of HSOB) and their XV's wore Blue And Black hoops. As you progressed up the refereeing ranks, you you became more and more likely to encounter a team wearing white. For this reason, those HSOB teams used to carry a range of liquorice allsorts practice jerseys of different sizes for the referee's use in case he forgot to bring a change strip.

Drift
22-10-14, 04:10
You all seem to take colour clashes way too seriously. I had to referee these two sides last year and had no issue calling them blue and black, just go in with a plan and stick to it.

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/1094656_553274151388687_1794972299_o.jpg

smeagol
22-10-14, 05:10
Worst I've ever had was last month, when two area uni sides who wore a mish-mash of UWR. Patterns were different, but it was still a mess.

I usually pack my RR.com kit, along with black shorts/socks and green, sky blue, and red tops.

Simon Thomas
22-10-14, 08:10
You all seem to take colour clashes way too seriously. I had to referee these two sides last year and had no issue calling them blue and black, just go in with a plan and stick to it.

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/1094656_553274151388687_1794972299_o.jpg

No colour clash problems with those two sets of shirts, shorts, & socks.

But the referee In white boots and his socks round his ankles .................

Ian_Cook
22-10-14, 08:10
No colour clash problems with those two sets of shirts, shorts, & socks.

But the referee In white boots and his socks round his ankles .................


What? Are you colour blind Simon?

That referee (Drift?) is wearing black boots and has his socks up. The player behind him has white boots and socks down!

TheBFG
22-10-14, 09:10
I'm guessing it was early and looking on his phone, give the old boy a break :wink:

Phil E
22-10-14, 09:10
I'm guessing it was early and looking on his phone, give the old boy a break :wink:

I'm guessing the Valet does all of Simon's posts!

Browner
22-10-14, 09:10
What? Are you colour blind Simon?

That referee (Drift?) is wearing black boots and has his socks up. The player behind him has white boots and socks down!

And thus some of his assessments are now explained .... :-)

Simon Thomas
22-10-14, 10:10
Ian - not blind but I was on my smartphone on commute train (small cropped picture) but now looking on laptop at full photo which shows all of the ref - all I saw on phone was a leg and shoulder.

I can see now that it is the player who has the white boots and low hung socks - profuse apologies to the referee who is the very model image of a smart referee exuding the corporate image that a match official should.

BFG you can s*d off, I was up well before dawn and in the paddocks today so wide awake by the time I got the commute train.
Phil - no valet, I would have to pay minimum wage.
Browner - nothing wrong my observation reports and coaching advice - only a false rumour :biggrin:

Ian_Cook
22-10-14, 13:10
Ian - not blind but I was on my smartphone on commute train (small cropped picture) but now looking on laptop at full photo which shows all of the ref - all I saw on phone was a leg and shoulder.

Ah. I see you have an iPhone then :pepper:


I can see now that it is the player who has the white boots and low hung socks - profuse apologies to the referee who is the very model image of a smart referee exuding the corporate image that a match official should.

Oooh, can he have a valet too!!?

Drift
22-10-14, 22:10
profuse apologies to the referee who is the very model image of a smart referee exuding the corporate image that a match official should.


I wouldn't go that far...

WombleRef
22-10-14, 23:10
And I had another bloody colour clash today :@

The home side (also the University I belong too), didn't have a change kit because apparently it hasn't been ordered yet.
Away side plays in pretty similar.
Result - Home side has to turn shirts inside out.

Phil E
23-10-14, 09:10
I wouldn't go that far...

Nor would I.........your top buttons undone, shocking! :=

Drift
23-10-14, 09:10
Nor would I.........your top buttons undone, shocking! :=

It's what happens when a referee has shoulders and the guy ordering the jerseys ordered slim fit players jerseys.

Browner
23-10-14, 11:10
Yesterdays predominant kit colours were Pink & Orange

I had no trouble verbalising Pink, but for some strange reason Orange got me all tongue tied on more than a few occasions ..... Strangely I even referred to them as yellow , twice !! .....

crossref
23-10-14, 11:10
Yesterdays predominant kit colours were Pink & Orange

I had no trouble verbalising Pink, but for some strange reason Orange got me all tongue tied on more than a few occasions ..... Strangely I even referred to them as yellow , twice !! .....

i hate it when that happens. last week's game for me had a team in Black with some red trimming (BLACK) v Blue/Red hoops. (BLUE) but try as I might the I couldn't help the occasional 'red' slipping out.

Ian_Cook
23-10-14, 12:10
Yesterdays predominant kit colours were Pink & Orange

I had no trouble verbalising Pink, but for some strange reason Orange got me all tongue tied on more than a few occasions ..... Strangely I even referred to them as yellow , twice !! .....


Call 'em Gold

Adam
23-10-14, 16:10
No clashes in Yorkshire this season!

3052

Browner
23-10-14, 17:10
No clashes in Yorkshire this season!

3052

I always suspected that when Yurkshure were eventually takenover it would be Lancashire's colours that would be retained .... :holysheep:

http://www.lancashirerugby.co.uk

Browner
23-10-14, 18:10
Yes, I tried to think 'Gold' , but I'd already written Orange on my scorecard (doh me!) and in any event i kept seeing Deep Orange rather than goldie orange , just couldn't shift it....

I will certainly start by writing down Gold next time & see if it helps.

smeagol
23-10-14, 18:10
And, stuck with two senior sides that both use black/blue. Packing red and green, someone's going inside/out.

Ian_Cook
23-10-14, 21:10
Yes, I tried to think 'Gold' , but I'd already written Orange on my scorecard (doh me!) and in any event i kept seeing Deep Orange rather than goldie orange , just couldn't shift it....

I will certainly start by writing down Gold next time & see if it helps.

We didn't have such a range of colours in my time as a referee. but I would always try stick to single syllable words (no jokes please... thank you)

Blue (covers Purple)
Black
Red (covers Maroon)
White
Gold (always for Yellow)
Green

Orange wasn't a colour I ever saw, and no-one of my era would be ever be seen wearing Pink!!

OB..
24-10-14, 00:10
Yesterdays predominant kit colours were Pink & Orange

I had no trouble verbalising Pink, but for some strange reason Orange got me all tongue tied on more than a few occasions ..... Strangely I even referred to them as yellow , twice !! .....
A couple of years ago I was watching Red vs Black when the referee awarded a scrum to Green. After a pause, one of the captains said "Which particular shade of Green, sir?" Now the referee looked puzzled. He was convinced he had said black, but I had heard it over the listening kit as well, and noted it down..

menace
24-10-14, 01:10
Yes, I tried to think 'Gold' , but I'd already written Orange on my scorecard (doh me!) and in any event i kept seeing Deep Orange rather than goldie orange , just couldn't shift it....

I will certainly start by writing down Gold next time & see if it helps.


We didn't have such a range of colours in my time as a referee. but I would always try stick to single syllable words (no jokes please... thank you)

Blue (covers Purple)
Black
Red (covers Maroon)
White
Gold (always for Yellow)
Green

Orange wasn't a colour I ever saw, and no-one of my era would be ever be seen wearing Pink!!

I agree that single syllable colour is much better for quicker and concise verbal communication, but sometimes with major colour clashes you can resort to using their club name and it may be 2 syllables but it works just fine. So I've come to the realisation that what is more important is to remain consistent throughout the game when referring to the one team, therefore if orange or yellow sticks in your head then use it? Use whatever is going to come to your mind the quickest, chances are it will no more than 2 syllables anyway.

If that's all the assessor can pick you up on that you didn't use 'gold' (or your boots were pink or white :rolleyes:) then you've had a good day.

Drift
24-10-14, 02:10
Whilst I agree on the single syllable words for colours, I subscribe to the train of thought that numbers are best for any communication.

menace
24-10-14, 05:10
But of course - colour and number ideal, but the thread is all about colours. (Unless you're having a problem with the colour of the numbers, which is also regularly a problem when fancy pants designers forget about what it looks like 15m+ away!)

FlipFlop
24-10-14, 09:10
which is also regularly a problem when fancy pants designers forget about what it looks like 15m+ away!)

But why is that a problem for the ref? Surely you're never 15m+ away from the action? :biggrin:

Simon Thomas
24-10-14, 09:10
I agree that single syllable colour is much better for quicker and concise verbal communication, but sometimes with major colour clashes you can resort to using their club name and it may be 2 syllables but it works just fine. So I've come to the realisation that what is more important is to remain consistent throughout the game when referring to the one team, therefore if orange or yellow sticks in your head then use it? Use whatever is going to come to your mind the quickest, chances are it will no more than 2 syllables anyway.

If that's all the assessor can pick you up on that you didn't use 'gold' (or your boots were pink or white :rolleyes:) then you've had a good day.

Love to hear you do Old Caterhamians against Old Haileburians in the RFU Surrey Leagues

andyscott
24-10-14, 12:10
I have seen pics this season and last (one side with there shirts inside out) and also noticed a comment in a report posted in another thread about "clashes of colours" :shrug:

How can this happen with the 'tinternet, don't people look at what colours sides are going to wear?? Surely you need to know for you own kit or do you just go with the "I'll pack 3, one will be ok!"

I always make a point of looking at up to date pics of clubs as colours do change, to ensure there's no clash, if there is, when a club calls to confirm their fixture I make sure they tell the opponents to change their shirts.

And before anyone says, down here in the SW it's the away team that changes!

For referees, why dont societies look at what most team in the county wear?

The RFU shirts clash, apart from the yellow one.

Also when wearing a purple shirt, assessors moan it looks like blue, it doesnt, its bloody purple!! not blue!!

OB..
24-10-14, 19:10
Red and White hoops vs Red and Black stripes, you obviously use White and Black respectively.
Red and White hoops vs Black and White stripes, you obviously use Red and Black respectively.
So Red and Whte hoops might be called either colour, depending on the colours worn by the opposition. Do they remember?

Team names are risky because you are relying entirely on your memory - there is no visual clue.

Nobody said it was easy.

chbg
24-10-14, 19:10
Love to hear you do Old Caterhamians against Old Haileburians in the RFU Surrey Leagues

Cats. Hail.

Drift
27-10-14, 01:10
Love to hear you do Old Caterhamians against Old Haileburians in the RFU Surrey Leagues

Once again I'd stick to numbers only.