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Taffy
19-12-14, 14:12
Attended a meeting last night about the possibility of AR work more regularly. Next step is to pass a fitness test. We were told level 10 on the beep test. How difficult is this ? I had a quick look on line and thought.......oh dear............

Phil E
19-12-14, 15:12
If you're fit, it's easy :wink:

If you're not, it's not!

matty1194
19-12-14, 15:12
3 simple steps to improving your bleep test scores.

1. PRACTICE
2. MORE PRACTICE
3. EVEN MORE PRATICE.

Once all 3 steps have been completed you should hopefully of improved your scores. However check with your Society if it is the normal Bleep test they do or the YO-YO test.

Dave Sherwin
19-12-14, 15:12
I remember one RFU administered beep test where, having got to Level 10, we all stopped. I was rather disappointed because, at that time, there would have been a lot more in the tank (a little less now, but still think Level 10 would be fine). I was also surprised that the RFU didn't want to see what level we COULD get to. I think Mr Mellick administered if I remember correctly.

Simon Thomas
19-12-14, 15:12
Is this for Terry's AR squad ?

You need to be reasonably fit to do 10 on a bleep or Yo Yo equiv.
Regular fitness training, decent body weight proportion, and no joints or muscle injuries.

If you look online it will show you

http://www.peworld.org/fitnesstesting/multistage_fit_test.htm

Indicates that a beep level of 10 for a male 41-50 is classed as excellent

TheBFG
19-12-14, 15:12
Yo Yo for group in these here parts, watched the young upstarts the other night and they were reaching L18 :wow:

looked too much like hard work to me. There's no replacement for being able to read a game :wink:

Dave Sherwin
19-12-14, 15:12
We do Yo-Yo here now, and 18 is pretty damn good. The National Squad S+C coach is an ex Munster S+C guy and his general analysis for international players is that props should be getting 16.5, Second row and hookers around 18, Backs around 19 and back row around 20.5. The interesting thing is that GPS data apparently suggests that referees cover roughly the same ground as second rows, but at lower average intensity.

Simon Thomas
19-12-14, 16:12
We use Yo Yo for Society guys and any one expecting development past L9 is expected to reach 16.

It is mandatory for the Southern Federation guys to pass at 16, and likewise Group. One Hants Group guy stopped at 19 as he had Ben on duty for18 hours (doctor) and the other Group guy was at 20+ when KML1 had had enough and wanted start the Society Meeting. The Fed L6 was also at 20+ when he stopped.

The L5 Group referees I see on Saturdays look like athletes and have the body shape to go with it. They are highly mobile and quick around the pitch. That is an initial requirement at Panel level.

TheBFG
19-12-14, 16:12
this is for the new group refs, they're getting 17 & 18 respectively.

and why is it "Terry's Group"???

Simon Thomas
19-12-14, 16:12
this is for the new group refs, they're getting 17 & 18 respectively.

and why is it "Terry's Group"???

Because this part-time AR project is a South West Regional initiative run by Terry Friend as SWG Regional Manager (volunteer) to follow on from a pilot run last season by South East Group. His ARs will operate at L5 hence have to fit enough to cope.

See http://drrs.pitchero.com/news/southwest-ar-recruitment-7799/ for how Devon are doing it. Each Society/Federation has nominated candidates and some are taking it further to encourage more specialist trained ARs at Society level.

Dave Sherwin
19-12-14, 16:12
Of course fitness if vital, but does anyone suspect we (by which I mean referee organisations worldwide) might be requiring (or pushing for) levels which are beyond that truly required and, thereby, leaving some truly excellent referees on the shelf? This isn't really my opinion - I don't think I have one on the point - but I am interested as to what others think. I do have a slight concern that some of the young USA referees I see are getting to their upper echelons on the basis of (in some cases) truly astonishing fitness levels without some of the other skills / understanding we would all like to see.

TheBFG
19-12-14, 16:12
Because this part-time AR project is a South West Regional initiative run by Terry Friend as SWG Regional Manager (volunteer) to follow on from a pilot run last season by South East Group. His ARs will operate at L5 hence have to fit enough to cope.

See http://drrs.pitchero.com/news/southwest-ar-recruitment-7799/ for how Devon are doing it. Each Society/Federation has nominated candidates and some are taking it further to encourage more specialist trained ARs at Society level.

Well that was news to me! I'll be having words :mad:

Simon Thomas
19-12-14, 16:12
Dave this a frequent point of debate amongst referees, match observers, referee coaches and the administration layer. The way the game has changed in the last 5 years at L5 and 6 for sure, has made it much quicker and more intense,with longer breaks for technical scrums.

To make it at panel level you have to have all components - fitness, speed, management (control and communication), law knowledge, empathy, consistency, rugby awareness, and the right image/culture/ethos.

Often on Federation and on Group we as Match Observers collect the evidence of who has them, who are missing some bits but can be developed, and those who have plateaued at L5 or L6 (which is no disgrace at all as these are high standards of refereeing achievement).

But you have to be quick enough physically and mentally to be at the breakdown to see the first offences, or better still manage them proactively, and fit enough to maintain high performance throughout the 80 minutes, and often need to raise intensity of both physical and mental aspects in the final 10 minutes

Taff
19-12-14, 17:12
... One Hants Group guy ... was at 20+ when KML1 had had enough and wanted start the Society Meeting.
It's funny how you can go off some people without even meeting them. :biggrin:


... the young upstarts the other night and they were reaching L18 :wow: looked too much like hard work to me. There's no replacement for being able to read a game :wink:
Exactly. :pepper: