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streetman246
22-05-15, 09:05
So the appointments are out for the premiership semi-finals:

Bath vs Leicester
Referee: JP Doyle (97th Premiership game).
Assistant Referees: Paul Dix and Ashley Rowden. TMO: Graham Hughes.

Northampton vs Saracens
Referee: Greg Garner (82nd Premiership game).
Assistant Referees: Luke Pearce and Matthew Carley. TMO: Sean Davey.

Wayne Barnes misses out for the first time in quite a few years, and he's not even AR in either match. What are peoples thoughts on this? Does it mean he won't get the final?

Phil E
22-05-15, 10:05
Wayne Barnes misses out for the first time in quite a few years, and he's not even AR in either match. What are peoples thoughts on this? Does it mean he won't get the final?

Maybe it means he already has the final?

Pegleg
22-05-15, 10:05
I'd, also, guess that he's got the final.

TheBFG
22-05-15, 15:05
he did 1st leg of Champ match in the week, keeping him fresh for the final.

Oh and "we" got the better draw of the semi final officials (other than maybe AR on the touch, gets too involved for my liking, frustrated ref :wink: )

streetman246
23-05-15, 15:05
Maybe it is keeping him for the final. but in the past few years it has been one of the semi-final refs who got the final. i guess we will wait and see.

TheBFG we had AR give a speech along with Dean Richards at the Berkshire society meeting in Feb. He was actually saying he only comments on what the ref asks him to and isn't there to save him if he's having a bad game.

crossref
26-05-15, 13:05
well, SA Referees keep the suspense going a little - longer -- but it looks like JPD and GG are otherwise engaged this weekend -- so my money is on WB getting the gig


Premiership Final

Bath vs Saracens at Twickenham

Championship Final, second leg

Worcester Warriors vs Bristol
Referee: JP Doyle
Assistant referees: Greg Garner, Luke Pearce
Television match official: David Grashoff
Timekeeper: Matthew Peters
Assessor: Stephen Leyshon / Andrew Vertiga

TheBFG
26-05-15, 14:05
well, SA Referees keep the suspense going a little - longer -- but it looks like JPD and GG are otherwise engaged this weekend -- so my money is on WB getting the gig

The Champ play-off match is on Wednesday?

OB..
26-05-15, 14:05
The Champ play-off match is on Wednesday?As was the first leg.

TheBFG
26-05-15, 16:05
WB in the middle with JPD and GG on the touch

streetman246
27-05-15, 08:05
yep looks like I was wrong!

what is everyone's opinion on using refs as ARs, when the RFU invests so much time in to our ARs. I feel like some of the refs really hate running touch. For example, if you look at JP Doyle running touch he just looks like he doesn't want to be there and doesn't put that much effort in.

TheBFG
27-05-15, 09:05
totally agree, but they do their fair share of ARing through the season, most months the elite guys will do a AR stint, but as you say, they really don't look as though they want to be there, Sir Nige is a prime example too, has a face like a slapped arse!

Browner
27-05-15, 11:05
You need to be more selective in choosing the arses you slap, the last one I did , looked nothing like NO's face :biggrin:

OB..
27-05-15, 11:05
what is everyone's opinion on using refs as ARs, when the RFU invests so much time in to our ARs. I feel like some of the refs really hate running touch. For example, if you look at JP Doyle running touch he just looks like he doesn't want to be there and doesn't put that much effort in.They do the same at the RWC. In the pool phase they use specialist ARs (referees who will only AR), but then send them home and use referees instead.

streetman246
27-05-15, 12:05
yeah at international level generally they tend to use refs as ARs. The RFU is the only league really that puts a lot of effort into training up the ARs.

I mean I get that some of the top class refs might not want to be running touch but they should at least still be happy to be in that positions. The mentality just seems wrong that some of the top refs think they are better than it. Compare that to Luke Pearce who when he was running touch in the six nations looked like he was having the time of his life and was happy to be there.

Browner
27-05-15, 12:05
yeah at international level generally they tend to use refs as ARs. The RFU is the only league really that puts a lot of effort into training up the ARs.

I mean I get that some of the top class refs might not want to be running touch but they should at least still be happy to be in that positions. The mentality just seems wrong that some of the top refs think they are better than it. Compare that to Luke Pearce who when he was running touch in the six nations looked like he was having the time of his life and was happy to be there.

Who are you speaking on behalf of???

Thread redirection:
Q???? Is ARing Less fulfilling than Refereeing?

I'll confess, it is for me.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
27-05-15, 12:05
Steve Walsh always looked bored ARing and his surly manner went into overdrive when dealing with the referee one to one - or was that just with George Clancy? :biggrin:

Lee Lifeson-Peart
27-05-15, 12:05
Was Peter Allan a referee or a specialist AR?

He was the AR who had a joint brain fart with Jonathan Kaplan when Mike Phillips fell over (again) the line for a try after the "wrong ball" QTI in the Wales v Ireland game a few years back.

I can't tell if he's a good reason to have specialist ARs or not to have them! :)

streetman246
27-05-15, 14:05
I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone. Just giving my opinion that based on what I can see it looks like some of the refs think they are better than being an AR.

Also like Lee said it does sometimes seem that when the refs end up having to AR they are not particularly helpful when the ref is speaking to them.

Browner
27-05-15, 15:05
I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone. Just giving my opinion that based on what I can see it looks like some of the refs think they are better than being an AR.

Also like Lee said it does sometimes seem that when the refs end up having to AR they are not particularly helpful when the ref is speaking to them.

I've given up trying to guess what 'some' refs think, too general & too tricky :confused: