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L'irlandais
13-01-16, 11:01
I know Robbie ran an article on the Craig Joubert aspect of this last August.
Craig Joubert to join the sevens circuit ahead of the Olympic Games. (http://www.worldrugby.org/sevens-series/news/86626)

Source : WR Sevens (http://www.worldrugby.org/sevens-series)

Of course he's not the only one crossing over, quite a few players are too. (http://www.worldrugby.org/sevens-series/news/131193) Both Fulgence Ouedraogo and Romain Martial have been named in the French sevens squad for example.

Perhaps a Sevens sub forum might be a good idea in the run up to the Rio Olympics.
What do you think? Does RRF need somewhere to discuss all things relating to rugby sevens, both local and international? If you have A. N. Other response to the poll, then tick other and post it in the discussion. For example, "yes, but...."

Rio 2016 Summer Olympic Games (http://www.rio2016.com/en/olympic-games)

chrismtl
13-01-16, 15:01
I was thinking about this a few weeks ago and forgot to post a request. Enough sevens is played around the world now and WR has sevens specific courses being offered to referees that it makes sense to have a section for sevens.

We currently have Mini/midi and Junior sections that have been inactive for the last 2 months and a golden oldies section that's been inactive for the last 14 months. We even have a touch rugby forum that's NEVER been posted in...

On a global level, sevens is the most easily watched since it's live streamed for free around the world (I have to torrent all of my XVs games for decent quality) and with it now being an Olympic sport, it makes sense to be able to discuss it in a location of its' own.

This site is called The Rugby Referees' Forum. Not Rugby Union, not Rugby union XV, Not rugby League. I see no reason to not have a section to discuss the code of the game that will almost certainly generate the most publicity this coming year and that is growing. I'm pretty confident that it'll be more popular than the touch rugby forum...

I'd actually like to hear a valid reason why people think that we shouldn't have this forum/sub-forum. Having no interest in sevens isn't a valid reason and neither is a dislike for the code.

Phil E
13-01-16, 16:01
Because we now have the prefix drop down options for starting a new thread.
7's is one of the prefix options.

chrismtl
13-01-16, 17:01
So sifting through a bunch of xvs related discussions to find answers to sevens specific questions (with a 7s/10s prefix) is the solution for a variation that is played and refereed completely differently? I mean you even bunched it up with another variation. Scrum has it's own prefix and so do AR, Maul, Tackle, Mini/midi, LO, Ruck, and a whole bunch of others. Every single one of those prefixes also has it's own forum, with the exception of Sevens. With your logic, we should have a single sub-forum for union and only use prefixes do highlight what we want to discuss. As well, grouping sevens and 10s together makes no sense. Different variations played and reffed in different ways.

I've had questions relating to sevens before, but never bothered posting them here because there's no real place to put them. Instead I turned to my personal contacts or local referee groups since they are more than happy to discuss all codes played here (XVs & 7s). Like I've said, you have a touch forum that's NEVER been posted in. A golden oldies forum that hasn't seen a new post since December 2014. Yet for some reason you want to ignore a variation that's being played in the olympics, has it's own international tournament series, has a world championship and that WR is pushing due to its increasing popularity and visibility. The only thread with the [7s/10s] prefix on this forum has more vies and comments than any of the threads on the first page of the scrum sub-forum. On top of that, most people don't bother with prefixes.

Here's a list of sub-forums that have no visible threads or no threads at all: Kit, Course Questions, Touch (it has its' own forum and sub-forum which has NEVER been used), League General (in refs only), Ref Sandbox, Golden Oldies, Mini/Midi, Junior. The refs only section doesn't seem to archive posts, but both the warm and comfy corner (1 thread total from 11/2014) and match reports (most recent of 5 threads is 03/2015) would fall into the above category. All 4 of your rugbyrefs.com site forums would also fall under this category. That's 14 subforums that are never or almost never used (some in prime real estate), yet you don't want to add 1 sub forum for 7s...

Phil E
13-01-16, 17:01
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crossref
13-01-16, 19:01
I'd go completely the other way and get rid of all the forums. We have 40 of them! (well I can see 40)
I don't know of any of other message board that's organised into so many sub-forums like this. Planet rugby has one.

It actually hinders use of the site -- it's impractical to check 40 forums to see if there is anything new, I am sure we all access via QuickLinks/Today'sPost, that ignores forums and shows all the new threads . trouble with that is that it only shows Today's posts, so things drop off too quickly.

We only really need two forums
- public
- referee only
with subject tagging on the threads

OB..
13-01-16, 19:01
Personally I prefer the format of this forum to that of planet rugby. New Posts shows me the ones I have not read yet.

I have no problem with adding a sevens sub-forum.

Pegleg
13-01-16, 22:01
I guess it saves me reading about the abomination that is 7s. So why not indeed.

chrismtl
13-01-16, 23:01
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I ask you to give me a legit reason and you respond with "prefixes". I shoot down your prefix theory by showing that every single other prefix that you have has it's own sub forum and you respond with this...

All I'm doing is saying that if there's 14 dead subforums, why not add one for sevens that might be less dead. It's not like it's complicated in the least bit to add a sub-forum to the union forums.

I do like the way that the forums are organized at the moment. Having specific forums for different aspects of the game saves you from sifting through tons of stuff you're not interested in. It also saves you time if people don't add prefixes to their threads or have extremely broad thread subjects.

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I ask you to give me a legit reason and you respond with "prefixes". I shoot down your prefix theory by showing that every single other prefix that you have has it's own sub forum and you respond with this...

All I'm doing is saying that if there's 14 dead subforums, why not add one for sevens that might be less dead. It's not like it's complicated in the least bit to add a sub-forum to the union forums.

I do like the way that the forums are organized at the moment. Having specific forums for different aspects of the game saves you from sifting through tons of stuff you're not interested in. It also saves you time if people don't add prefixes to their threads or have extremely broad thread subjects.

SimonSmith
14-01-16, 01:01
You might find that 7s only generates that kind of degree of interest in the US and Canada. It's never a topic of conversation with anyone I know in the rest of the rugby world.

I couldn't name any Scotland 7s players. I can probably name most of the 5 nations players without thinking about it.

crossref
14-01-16, 11:01
i don't really understand this discussion -- if the site is going to stick with the multi-forum design, surely we should be --

1 - opening new forums from time to time, when interest is expressed
2 - closing down forums that aren't used

so yes, have a sevens forum. if its used it would survive, if it's not used it would be pruned

L'irlandais
14-01-16, 11:01
I think that during August this year a lot of people will take a passing interest in Sevens.
RRF could get a share of that traffic if we ran a few well timed articles and imho the sub forum would help channel the traffic.
:shrug: I cannot see the harm in having one more sub forum.

OB..
14-01-16, 11:01
Why not try it and see? Does it cost anything to carry dead forums?

L'irlandais
14-01-16, 12:01
I would be interest to hear Loc (http://www.rugbyrefs.com/member.php?3543-Lo%EFc)'s opinion. As I know that arbitrage-rugby (http://arbitrage-rugby.com) (which he's admin for) has lost a deal of forum traffic too. They floated the idea ( on their Facebook page) of dropping their forums altogether and keeping just the front page articles.

crossref
14-01-16, 12:01
I would be interest to hear Loc (http://www.rugbyrefs.com/member.php?3543-Lo%EFc)'s opinion. As I know that arbitrage-rugby (http://arbitrage-rugby.com) (which he's admin for) has lost a deal of forum traffic too. They floated the idea ( on their Facebook page) of dropping their forums altogether and keeping just the front page articles.

that's interesting,I've wondered if RR.COM should drop the articles (and the blogs) and become just a forum.

menace
14-01-16, 23:01
Is this an episode of Seinfeld?

ChrisR
14-01-16, 23:01
No, Seinfeld gets more viewers.

menace
15-01-16, 08:01
No soup for you!

L'irlandais
15-01-16, 12:01
Is this an episode of Seinfeld?No!
It is a legitament question ; if you are indifferent, fine. That does not mean I am not entitled to ask the question.

menace
15-01-16, 12:01
True..yes you are...I forgot the smilie cause IMO the rebuttals and counter rebuttals is starting to sound like an episode of Seinfeld to me that I'm finding quite amusing. :D

ChrisR
17-01-16, 14:01
Has the suggestion gone to Committee yet?

How about creating a "Where are you this weekend" forum. Then that folks like me can easily determine if there is anything of interest in the "General Union" bucket.

L'irlandais
17-01-16, 15:01
:offtopic:



?..How about creating a "Where are you this weekend" forum..

Oi! Start your own thread.

L'irlandais
18-01-16, 19:01
Well over half the people who have replied/voted think it's a good idea.
Guess we will have to wait for Robbie to decide.

chrismtl
18-01-16, 19:01
I think that the more telling stat is that only 1 out of 16 don't want the sub-forum

SimonSmith
19-01-16, 01:01
We'll be a long time waiting for Robbie. He's moving continents for a new job...

L'irlandais
19-01-16, 09:01
I think that the more telling stat is that only 1 out of 16 don't want the sub-forumnot really, indifference will finish this forum off long before disagreement.
Also it was pointed out to me on a.n. Other forum I frequent, forums are not democratic. If the one person who objects is the person who holds the purse strings then it is irrelevant how many feel otherwise.

chrismtl
19-01-16, 16:01
posted in the wrong thread...delete this comment please

crossref
19-01-16, 17:01
perhaps a better poll would have been

would you like occasional forum maintenance? ie long unused forums archived, and new forums to be opened up from time to time as new ideas crop up?
- yes, let's keep our site relevant, with forums that people use
- over my dead body, let's keep everything as we first thought of it in 2003

L'irlandais
05-02-16, 10:02
Well crossref,
I thought by being diplomatic I would have more chance of winning over the powers that be.
Just as well I wasn't holding my breath, it seems.:shrug:

SimonSmith
05-02-16, 13:02
I don't know who, outside of Robbie, can set up new sub fora.

I knew I have Admin right, but I wouldn't know how to go about setting one up. Possibly dial back the martyr complex a tad?

crossref
05-02-16, 13:02
forums

chrismtl
05-02-16, 15:02
I don't know who, outside of Robbie, can set up new sub fora.

I knew I have Admin right, but I wouldn't know how to go about setting one up. Possibly dial back the martyr complex a tad?

It's just a vBulletin forum. If you have full admin privileges then you can add and even delete forums or subforums. This should be a good enough walkthrough to set it up (post #2)

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-legacy-versions-products/legacy-vbulletin-versions/vbulletin-3-6-questions-problems-and-troubleshooting/195273-how-can-i-add-subforums-in-the-main-page

Phil E
05-02-16, 15:02
It's just a vBulletin forum. If you have full admin privileges then you can add and even delete forums or subforums. This should be a good enough walkthrough to set it up (post #2)

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-legacy-versions-products/legacy-vbulletin-versions/vbulletin-3-6-questions-problems-and-troubleshooting/195273-how-can-i-add-subforums-in-the-main-page

We don't have full admin rights, we are just moderators.

menace
06-02-16, 00:02
we are just moderators.

And don't you forget it! :biggrin::biggrin::pepper::pepper::wink::wink:

L'irlandais
16-05-16, 12:05
Still think this would be an excellent idea before Rio.
:hap: LOTG are interpreted differently in Sevens, at the breakdown for example.

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L'irlandais
23-05-16, 09:05
Because we now have the prefix drop down options for starting a new thread.
7's is one of the prefix options.Only problem with this is not everybody uses [prefixs], and even if they did do so, then we would need a way of searching for threads with [#prefix whatever]

If somebody can explain how it works I am happy to use this work around.