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Huck2Spit
17-06-16, 05:06
This seems very basic and probably upto everyone's preference. I find at the end of a match what I've recorded is too illegible, worn or hastily noted to be a good reference in writing my report. Haven't lost track of any points, yet, but not sure what details to note or short hand could be best.
The downloadable score sheets I've found on-line, seem great, but turn out to be impractical when scaled down to pocket sized.
The match I did last weekend started out sunny but soon after Kickoff it poured for the duration. I was drenched to the bones and my score sheet just fell apart, my second third and fourth did too. I was making notes that were washed away. After the match when the captains asked for the official score-- I had to get back to them. Went to the car and pieced it together for the clues like an archaeologist.

Anthony
17-06-16, 08:06
I use the scoresheet that I got from the Southern Californian refs website, it is exactly sized to fit into the standard sized red/yellow card folder, provides all the relevant information and putting it inside the folder then provides a degree of protection from the rain. Having said that both Southern Cal and Sydney are not renowned for being overly wet so may not work as well in wetter locations

crossref
17-06-16, 09:06
I don't like any scorecard I have seen -- they always seem too fiddly, and the way score cards are generally designed you don't get to see the sequence of the scores, which I think is important.

I use a tiny notebook - scorecard sized - with blank pages. It being a notebook it's also pretty weather proof, the pages keep dry.

I draw a line down the middle, and write the scores either side, with each score just below the level of the previous one so that I can see the sequence.

What I write is
3
5-
5+2
as appropriate.

Pegleg
17-06-16, 09:06
I use a varient of the ones posted on here. With a running total down the middle. I put the time of the event and the running totals On the back I record Cards and colour and subs / replacements.

Seems ok

Happy to email a copy if anyone wants.

I'd love an electronic one for my phone but I can't find one that does it right.

DocY
17-06-16, 09:06
Those we're given have separate columns for tries, penalties, conversions and DGs, so you can mark the order of the scores pretty well. The only problem is, in a high scoring game, working it out in your head.
I was thinking that some sort of little electronic device could be handy, a bit like a small version of an electronic darts scoreboard, with buttons for different scores for each team.

Pegleg
17-06-16, 09:06
Those we're given have separate columns for tries, penalties, conversions and DGs, so you can mark the order of the scores pretty well. The only problem is, in a high scoring game, working it out in your head.
I was thinking that some sort of little electronic device could be handy, a bit like a small version of an electronic darts scoreboard, with buttons for different scores for each team.

Exactly a phone app would be idea. All the ones on google and the Apple store seem more aimed at the clubs rather than our needs. Unless anyone knows different of course.

crossref
17-06-16, 09:06
do people really carry their phone on to the pitch ?

i think that if a ref got his phone out on the pitch, it would trigger rather a lot of banter!

crossref
17-06-16, 09:06
Those we're given have separate columns for tries, penalties, conversions and DGs, so you can mark the order of the scores pretty well. The only problem is, in a high scoring game, working it out in your head.
I was thinking that some sort of little electronic device could be handy, a bit like a small version of an electronic darts scoreboard, with buttons for different scores for each team.

i dunno, I think there would be a risk of pressing a button twice, or pressing the wrong button.

I'd rather get my pencil out and write it down.

didds
17-06-16, 09:06
i just presumed that refs keep a tally of T/C/PK/DG and a running total even if that is "only" a five line gated tally ?

didds

crossref
17-06-16, 09:06
i just presumed that refs keep a tally of T/C/PK/DG and a running total even if that is "only" a five line gated tally ?

didds

I don't think that five-line gates would cut it
-- from time to time someone on the sideline will have a different total, and it's very helpful to be able to go through the scores and isolate where he went wrong : 'nope, look - the fourth try conversion missed' or whatever.


And IMO DON'T dont keep a running total - any mistake made will put you wrong for the whole of the rest of the game
better to list the individual scores, and add them up when needed. that way even if you make a mistake once, the next time you add them up you'll be correct again.

DocY
17-06-16, 10:06
i dunno, I think there would be a risk of pressing a button twice, or pressing the wrong button.

I'd rather get my pencil out and write it down.

Yeah, obviously it would need safeguards against such things.

I like Pegleg's phone app idea. I don't take my phone onto the pitch, but I have no need to. If I had a little app that could keep track of the score, time, cards (hey, could you get the phone to light up red or yellow?!), I probably would. And pray I didn't run out of battery.

didds
17-06-16, 11:06
I don't think that five-line gates would cut it
-- from time to time someone on the sideline will have a different total, and it's very helpful to be able to go through the scores and isolate where he went wrong : 'nope, look - the fourth try conversion missed' or whatever.


And IMO DON'T dont keep a running total - any mistake made will put you wrong for the whole of the rest of the game
better to list the individual scores, and add them up when needed. that way even if you make a mistake once, the next time you add them up you'll be correct again.

Fair enough CR - good points

didds

Decorily
17-06-16, 11:06
I don't think that five-line gates would cut it
-- from time to time someone on the sideline will have a different total, and it's very helpful to be able to go through the scores and isolate where he went wrong


.

Where HE went wrong....

crossref
17-06-16, 11:06
Where HE went wrong....

indeed :biggrin:

Huck2Spit
17-06-16, 12:06
Thanks, interesting to hear what others do. Tried that SoCal card didn't work for me. I do something like crossref with a few more data points. Two columns of:
5@7th +2
3@ 11th PK (offence)
YC @20th #6 & (offence)
5@29th +0 etc....

I'll try to add in a description of how score came about as well:
5@7th+2 long 60M run by winger
5@29th+0 lineout--maul into goal
....
Maybe I just need to get a note pad to have the spaceI/ pages I need.
I was so wet last Sat thought I'll carry a sandwich baggie in future since my ref "wallet" didn't keep dry in just my pocket.

Phone app? Weather permitting! maybe, it is 2016 some refs wear all sorts of mic/ camera gear. but think chances of it failing are far greater than pen& paper.

DocY
17-06-16, 12:06
Sounds like you're very enthusiastic about scoring!

All I'll put down is the order of the scores. The only time I write any words are if there's a card, and that's never more than three words.

Phil E
17-06-16, 12:06
I'll try to add in a description of how score came about as well:


Why?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002687TB2/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=569136327&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1898660808&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=VP5P6GMBTY8VKRNWQ6DK

ctrainor
17-06-16, 13:06
I use a note book rather than a card works for me
Scores on one side running totals and any cards on the other or other pages if I need to jot down more information .
My biggest problem is keeping my hands warm enough to hold the pencil and seeing what I've wrote as I need specs for reading!

SimonSmith
17-06-16, 13:06
We use this guy:
http://game-aide.com/collections/rubgy-officials/products/rugby-game-data-card

Added advantages: rain proof. And reusable.

Huck2Spit
17-06-16, 13:06
Why-Phil E, why not. Helps me later when drafting a thorough narrative report. In my area it's encouraged to be descriptive in post match reports. My memory doesn't keep those details as accurately as I'd like.
I also think teams will read up on opponent's ref reports to scout up coming matches. So&so's #10 scored 4 tries last game, good to know. Why my society encourages this, IDK.

Phil E
17-06-16, 13:06
I just use the RFU cards.

Wedgie
17-06-16, 14:06
I do keep a running total, viz:-

http://www.rugbyrefs.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3429&stc=1

I don't think I have ever had a match where someone has not asked me the score and I (personally) don't think it looks v. professional if I don't give it (but that is another thread.....) In the past, I have made too many mistakes when trying to add up on the hoof (even after the match). I find it easier to add the 3, 5 or 7 immediately before (or whilst) trotting back to the half way line.

I take the time from my countdown stopwatch and the order of scoring is easy to visualize with the blank lines when trying to replay the match in my head.

Last season I had an U17s match that ended 43-45 (or something like that) and there losing team thought they had won - it was a bit footballer-y with half the team crowding around me ("But sir...."). However, my running total method kept me straight and they accepted the result in good grace.

DocY
17-06-16, 14:06
Last season I had an U17s match that ended 43-45 (or something like that) and there losing team thought they had won - it was a bit footballer-y with half the team crowding around me ("But sir...."). However, my running total method kept me straight and they accepted the result in good grace.

I hope they didn't turn down a kickable penalty in the last minutes!

DocY
17-06-16, 14:06
Why-Phil E, why not. Helps me later when drafting a thorough narrative report. In my area it's encouraged to be descriptive in post match reports. My memory doesn't keep those details as accurately as I'd like.
I also think teams will read up on opponent's ref reports to scout up coming matches. So&so's #10 scored 4 tries last game, good to know. Why my society encourages this, IDK.

Seems a bit strange. Match reports around here are all done by the teams (unless it's a big enough game that the local rag is there).

Our refs' match reports are typically something like:
Good conditions
Open game with good skill levels
Both teams competative
1 YC for repeat infringements
Final score

Phil E
17-06-16, 14:06
Helps me later when drafting a thorough narrative report. In my area it's encouraged to be descriptive in post match reports.

I've never been asked to write a post match report?
Who asks you to write it and what's its purpose?

thepercy
17-06-16, 16:06
Yeah, obviously it would need safeguards against such things.

I like Pegleg's phone app idea. I don't take my phone onto the pitch, but I have no need to. If I had a little app that could keep track of the score, time, cards (hey, could you get the phone to light up red or yellow?!), I probably would. And pray I didn't run out of battery.

Hope it doesn't rain.

Pinky
17-06-16, 17:06
I use a small notepad (I think my current one has a waterproof cover) and either side of the page I record the time and score. If there is a card, I will also record that (and the player details) I need the times on the score as we are asked for current score in the YC and RC reports we make to the Union.

Huck2Spit
17-06-16, 17:06
I've never been asked to write a post match report?
Who asks you to write it and what's its purpose?
The society here uses the electronic internet to assign matches and to be credited for refereeing a match one must submit a post-match report on the society's web page. Can be brief as the score but a descriptive narrative is encouraged. A questionnaire about the host club is also part of the reporting there online. I believe the club who gets the highest marks earns an award from the society and possibly a monetary prize. So that's part of it.
Another part of the online report is being able to submit disciplinary reports for cards given, I assume so a panel can decide if further suspesion or discipline is due for RC's....So as for the narrative, knowing if it was a generally polite match versus handbags every other stoppage might be a reference for that panelists.
Maybe they like to have an archive... Don't know purpose. I'm just trying to comply with the request.
Reports can be publicly view:
www.nerugbyrefs.org

Taff
17-06-16, 20:06
If people are worried that their scorecards get drenched, would a phone really be a good idea? I don't think so.

On the rare occasion I've had where it's hammered it down and the cards can turn to mush, I just ask the TJs to keep score as well.

chbg
17-06-16, 22:06
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And there are also 'rite-in-the-rain' notebooks used by us military types - a torn out page placed within a plastic card holder, writing with an Ikea pencil:

For US; https://www.amazon.co.uk/rite-rain/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Arite%20in%20the%20rain

For US: https://www.amazon.com/Rite-Rain-Notebook-Journal-393/dp/B001PD28JM

Pegleg
23-06-16, 17:06
Why?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002687TB2/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=569136327&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1898660808&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=VP5P6GMBTY8VKRNWQ6DK

These look good I have put an order in.

Dickie E
24-06-16, 04:06
I need the times on the score as we are asked for current score in the YC and RC reports we make to the Union.

I wonder what difference it makes to a punch on the nose whether the score is 12-all or 40-zip.

Pegleg
24-06-16, 07:06
I wonder what difference it makes to a punch on the nose whether the score is 12-all or 40-zip.

I agree. But, it is something we have to put on the report as well.

OB..
24-06-16, 09:06
I wonder what difference it makes to a punch on the nose whether the score is 12-all or 40-zip.Probably none for an individual incident, but if there was more than one it might help shed light on the tenor of the match. Overall there may be some statistical insights.

SimonSmith
24-06-16, 12:06
I wonder what difference it makes to a punch on the nose whether the score is 12-all or 40-zip.
We are asked for it in case the act of foul play had a material effect on the outcome of the match

Pegleg
24-06-16, 21:06
We are asked for it in case the act of foul play had a material effect on the outcome of the match

How would you use such information?

Let's say a RC is issued at 15-3 against the home side.

It is justified and the score finishes:


15 -10

15 -40

23 -15

Or it is not justified and score finishes:

15 -10

15 -40

23 -15


what different outcomes would you expect to see? I can't see any difference. I would be interested to know as this one has got me.

chbg
24-06-16, 22:06
The RFU Discipline/Red Card Report requires the Time of Incident, in which Half, and Score at Time for Home Team and Away Team.

Presumably it ensures that all are talking about the same incident.

So you might as well ensure that you can fill in the RC report correctly. Of course that can be achieved by recording the score when the RC is issued rather than keeping a runing track.

However I will admit to the occasional BF and noting the minute beside each score has ensured that I do not annotate the same try twice, or indeed to forget to write it down (more likely in 7s). Stupid I know, how could that happen, but we are all fallible. (Otherwise why else would the Match Observer confirm the score with you, when he's been watching and making notes every minute!)

SimonSmith
25-06-16, 01:06
Mate, it's laid out in Reg 17 as a consideration factor, don't blame me

Pegleg
26-06-16, 19:06
Odd. It seems to have no relevance to the issue. It would be interesting if someone knows the thinking behind it.

OB..
27-06-16, 13:06
Odd. It seems to have no relevance to the issue. It would be interesting if someone knows the thinking behind it.
I repeat my view that it may well be useful for statistical analysis rather than the individual incident.

Phil E
27-06-16, 18:06
I repeat my view that it may well be useful for statistical analysis rather than the individual incident.

American sports love a stat.

Pegleg
27-06-16, 20:06
I repeat my view that it may well be useful for statistical analysis rather than the individual incident.

Yes I saw that. It still leaves me wondering if someone knows the thinking behind it.

mark.lucas
19-07-16, 20:07
We use this guy:
http://game-aide.com/collections/rubgy-officials/products/rugby-game-data-card

Added advantages: rain proof. And reusable.

Looks good, but not sure how it would have coped with my last game - 166-0 - and amazingly the winning team managed to score 83 points in each half (although not in the same combination - cos I can tell!).