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didds
01-06-17, 14:06
I was going to add this in a current thread but I couldn't find it so mods feel free to merge if you can find it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABtkjuLLCkc&feature=youtu.be&t=120

The ref says it is high, with force - and brings out the YC.

(FTR Eng v Samoa in the RWC U20)

didds

Christy
01-06-17, 15:06
could easily of been red .
not much difference in that and a shoulder to head . { as in pain wise }
totally reckless .

didds
01-06-17, 15:06
I noticed on subsequent viewings (which the ref didn't have the luxury of of course) that in fact the swinging arm does seem to actually clock the England player's head before landing around the neck/shoulder area.

didds

DocY
01-06-17, 15:06
I noticed on subsequent viewings (which the ref didn't have the luxury of of course) that in fact the swinging arm does seem to actually clock the white player's head before landing around the neck/shoulder area.

didds

Agreed. I thought it was the angle of the replays that made it look worse, rather than any slowing down, mind. And the referee was on that side, though could easily have been unsighted.

Lucky it was just a YC.

ChuckieB
01-06-17, 16:06
Red warranted. No mitigating circumstances.

I might have seen it as a yellow from the initial TV angle from not having spotted the direct contact.

Elpablo73
01-06-17, 17:06
The ref seemed a bit hasty and could have taken time off and consulted with the ARs and/or TMO, just to confirm the colour of the card, he know he was going to give him a card. IMHO, and with the aid of replays, I would have given\recommended a :rc:

Pinky
01-06-17, 18:06
RC would have been OK, but Mercer England 8 might have deserved something for his obstruction. No way for a captain to behave!

chbg
01-06-17, 20:06
I assume that it was for this tackle that he was cited, determined as "not intentional but reckless" and banned for 3 matches.

http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/news/252478?lang=en

I was trying to find out who the otherwise competent referee was, without success. I assume Mike Adamson from Scotland?

http://rugbyreferee.net/2017/05/29/tblisi-calling-world-rugby-u20s-referees-gather-in-georgia/

The umpire
02-06-17, 00:06
I assume that it was for this tackle that he was cited, determined as "not intentional but reckless" and banned for 3 matches.

http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/news/252478?lang=en

I was trying to find out who the otherwise competent referee was, without success. I assume Mike Adamson from Scotland?

http://rugbyreferee.net/2017/05/29/tblisi-calling-world-rugby-u20s-referees-gather-in-georgia/

Nope, I think Mike was doing the Italy/Ireland game.

The Fat
02-06-17, 08:06
Cannot view the OP's link so here it is for others where that video is not available.
If you slow it down, you can see that the initial contact is flush across the nose.
Always high, with force, first contact with the head, RC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfZIv2FKWj4

Lee Lifeson-Peart
02-06-17, 09:06
Under 20??????????????????????????? He looks older than me!!!!!

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DocY
02-06-17, 09:06
The ref seemed a bit hasty and could have taken time off and consulted with the ARs and/or TMO, just to confirm the colour of the card, he know he was going to give him a card. IMHO, and with the aid of replays, I would have given\recommended a :rc:

Maybe in an already one sided game he thought it better to just give the YC and get on with it.

didds
02-06-17, 09:06
Maybe in an already one sided game he thought it better to just give the YC and get on with it.

There's no match clock on the video, but England score their first try after 3 minutes, and that YC is the next in the highlights - as its a restart its could even very likely be the restart afterwards - so only a very few minutes into the game. In fact the following action in that video is England's second try "ten points in ten minutes"... so the YC is at at best around 5 minutes of the game. the ref wouldn't have known (though maybe sensed!) that it would become a 70+ point drubbing

Leaving aside whether refs should make "mercy calls" on stuff that would normally provide a RC, but that's another debate for another thread.

didds

damo
02-06-17, 11:06
Are TMOs in action in this tournament? If so that should have been reviewed - with RC the likely result.

didds
02-06-17, 11:06
Are TMOs in action in this tournament? If so that should have been reviewed - with RC the likely result.

http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/news/234684?lang=en


The panel of nine referees, three assistant referees and three Television Match Officials (TMOs) that will officiate at the World Rugby U20 Championship 2017 in Georgia has been revealed.


didds

Pinky
02-06-17, 11:06
I assume that it was for this tackle that he was cited, determined as "not intentional but reckless" and banned for 3 matches.

http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/news/252478?lang=en

I was trying to find out who the otherwise competent referee was, without success. I assume Mike Adamson from Scotland?

http://rugbyreferee.net/2017/05/29/tblisi-calling-world-rugby-u20s-referees-gather-in-georgia/

That's not Mike - think it was the Welshman, Dan Jones.

Pinky
02-06-17, 11:06
Under 20??????????????????????????? He looks older than me!!!!!

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WR website says he is 19, dob 29 December 1997, 175cm tall and weighs 97kg. Mind you they do say the camera ages you and adds 10kg!

Lee Lifeson-Peart
02-06-17, 12:06
WR website says he is 19, dob 29 December 1997, 175cm tall and weighs 97kg. Mind you they do say the camera ages you and adds 10kg!

I retired from playing the week after he was born :wow: Perhaps it's like the Dalai Lama and as I retired I passed on my sagacity and Rugby prowess to a tiny infant in the South Seas - or perhaps not.

VM75
02-06-17, 18:06
The YC doesn't surprise me, Elite Ref's have systematically diluted WR's instructions. Give it another 6 months of watering & this will likely not even be a card at pro level.

As for his physical maturity, confusion can genuinely happen in some area's of the world, least that's what page 82
points 5] & 6] acknowledges in this respected report

https://www.unicef.org/pacificislands/BR_Report_Part2.pdf

chbg
02-06-17, 20:06
That's not Mike - think it was the Welshman, Dan Jones.

Thanks. I'll be interested to see his progress.

The Fat
02-06-17, 23:06
WR website says he is 19, dob 29 December 1997, 175cm tall and weighs 97kg. Mind you they do say the camera ages you and adds 10kg!

:hap: I remember when my son was refereeing NSW U14 State Championships back in 2009. One team (we'll call them Parramatta), was full of Islander boys with more than a few in the 90-105kg range and a couple even bigger. I remember talking to someone from Manly who claimed that some don't have Birth Certificates but have Christening Certificates. Hhhhmmmm.....

Paule23
04-06-17, 22:06
The bit that caught my eye (or ear) was the "with force" comment. Is that part of the law or the recent interpretation?

To me clearly reckless and enough to warrant RC rather than YC.