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SimonSmith
24-09-18, 12:09
We are - I think - broadly agreed that hurdling a potential tackler and having boots near the head is a bit of a no-no.

I had two tries scored on Saturday on what was quite a trying day generally. Ruck formed 1 - 2m from the goal line. Black picked up the ball and dived.

His dive was not directly downwards, because Red D was crouched low, assuming he was going to drive low. In essence, his dive height was waist - shoulder high.

I don't think he endangered anyone. Red coach was apoplectic, to put it mildly.

So, what's vox populi?

Decorily
24-09-18, 13:09
It seems that your opinion was that it wasn't dangerous therefore try stands!

Lee Lifeson-Peart
24-09-18, 13:09
We are - I think - broadly agreed that hurdling a potential tackler and having boots near the head is a bit of a no-no.

I had two tries scored on Saturday on what was quite a trying day generally. Ruck formed 1 - 2m from the goal line. Black picked up the ball and dived.

His dive was not directly downwards, because Red D was crouched low, assuming he was going to drive low. In essence, his dive height was waist - shoulder high.

I don't think he endangered anyone. Red coach was apoplectic, to put it mildly.

So, what's vox populi?

Has the coach never seen a game of Rugby before?

As interesting to me is, did the Red players think (of their coach) "Yeah - right on coach man, you tell 'im" (or whatever words you colonials use in such circumstances) or was it more "Gee coach you're way outta line there". And if the former did the players respond in a similar vein?

Other than that what Decorily says.

Rich_NL
24-09-18, 13:09
What was he angry about? If you'd sent red off for making contact with the head, I could understand... but that you allowed a player to dive for a try?

Taff
24-09-18, 14:09
What was he angry about?
Do some of them need a reason? :sad:

Decorily
24-09-18, 14:09
"Apoplectic" ......such a lovely word.
Pity it doesn't have a different meaning!

crossref
24-09-18, 15:09
Did the coach think it was dangerous, or did he think it was against the Law

SimonSmith
24-09-18, 16:09
Did the coach think it was dangerous, or did he think it was against the Law

The latter, because of the former

CrouchTPEngage
24-09-18, 17:09
Sounds like I would have allowed the try as it has been described. However, I think we have to be careful.
I do watch some NFL games where you can see touchdowns scored via a ball carrier leaping, athletically into the air to dive over many bodies and prone players who are on the goal-line. It's rare but possible in rugby , to see a similar thing. At such times, I have to ask myself "Can a would-be defender tackle that player legally ?" - A player cannot leap 5 feet into the air to avoid a would-be defender tackling them - right ?
I guess that's what the OP meant about "dangerous".

Zebra1922
24-09-18, 22:09
Waist to shoulder high seems to indicate he dived over a crouching defensive player. Is this correct? In this instance I'm not sure whether there is an offence, it doesn't feel right but help me on what law is being breached.

SimonSmith
25-09-18, 00:09
Yes, that's about right.

He is untackleable but so - in theory - is anyone diving. I couldn't make it "dangerous" in my mind.

I stand to be convinced otherwise.

Dickie E
25-09-18, 01:09
A player cannot leap 5 feet into the air to avoid a would-be defender tackling them - right ?


Law reference?

Phil E
25-09-18, 13:09
You see this all the time at the top level, especially so in the corners where they dive high and come in almost head down to avoid putting a foot into touch.

Coach needs speaking to about game values...respect, discipline, etc.

SimonSmith
25-09-18, 16:09
He was.

Elpablo73
25-09-18, 17:09
The only Law this might controvene is 9.11 Player must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others.

OB..
25-09-18, 17:09
The only Law this might controvene is 9.11 Player must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others.
That rings a bell....

Zebra1922
25-09-18, 19:09
But is this sort of diving dangerous or reckless to others? Opinions needed to get a consensus. I'm on the OK side, as long as players are diving to score, I'd be less happy in open play away from the try line (although you would be highly unlikely to se this except diving over a ruck which is specifically outlawed anyway.

ctrainor
25-09-18, 21:09
If a player is diving for the corner say 5ft in the air, can he be legally tackled?
If he is grabbed by the legs and lands on his head after losing the ball what the hell decision would that be?

crossref
25-09-18, 21:09
(although you would be highly unlikely to se this except diving over a ruck which is specifically outlawed anyway.

well, not quite - it's illegal to jump on top of it
.
Players must not:
Pick the ball up with their legs.
Intentionally collapse a ruck or jump on top of it.
Intentionally step on another player.
Fall over the ball as it is coming out of a ruck.
Kick, or attempt to kick, the ball out of a ruck.
Sanction: Penalty.


Arguably it's OK to dive OVER it.

Dickie E
26-09-18, 04:09
If a player is diving for the corner say 5ft in the air, can he be legally tackled?


Sure, no problem.

Probably easier to legally tackle him, than a player who slides in from 5 metres out on a wet & slippery track.

Zebra1922
26-09-18, 18:09
Sure, no problem.

Probably easier to legally tackle him, than a player who slides in from 5 metres out on a wet & slippery track.

I think the point being made is you cannot make contact with a player in the air, so if someone if mid-dive it is impossible to legally tackle them.

ianh5979
27-09-18, 09:09
I think the point being made is you cannot make contact with a player in the air, so if someone if mid-dive it is impossible to legally tackle them.

Catch him then, that's not a tackle as he is not brought to ground:tongue:

Zebra1922
28-09-18, 21:09
Catch him then, that's not a tackle as he is not brought to ground:tongue:

This I would like to see, lets use Marler as the 'diver' and say, Jonny Sexton as the catcher.....

ianh5979
29-09-18, 20:09
This I would like to see, lets use Marler as the 'diver' and say, Jonny Sexton as the catcher.....

Props don't take a big dive to score its only the posing backs that do that:biggrin: