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  1. winchesterref's Avatar
    What sort of things have you got there so far?

    I cover lineout marking, scrum sequence, scrum half put in and quick taps

    Involve 9, FR and replacement FR, skipper
    And for the first few weeks in the season I will add the locks to this to make them aware of their scrum responsibility too

    Captains I brief separately to this
  2. nightrider56's Avatar
    Got it! Thank you (and you're right i was trying to work out why)
  3. crossref's Avatar
    nightrider - you are trying to work out WHY the lawmakers wrote the law as they did....
    that's a matter of speculation. But what the law says is

    1) Red team kick from inside their own half and the ball goes all the way across the DBL of the Yellow team
    Action - yello get choice of scrum at place it was kicked or 22. They will choose the scrum

    2) the ball was kicked from the same place - kick and chase - and a Yellow player chased back under pressure from a Red attacker - Yellow player had to touch the ball down to prevent a try being scored
    Action
    - if the ball had crossed the tryline and then yellow touches it down = 22m
    - if yellow carried it over the tryline = 5m scrum red.
  4. nightrider56's Avatar
    This is how I see it working in practice (feel free to tell me i'm wrong) Red team kick from inside their own half and the ball goes all the way across the DBL of the Yellow team. If a 22 drop out is awarded the Red team has essentailly gained a territorial advantage (which is why the scrum is offered at the place of the kick?) If the ball was kicked from the same place - kick and chase - and a Yellow player chased back under pressure from a Red attacker - Yellow player had to touch the ball down to prevent a try being scored, a 22 drop out is awarded as this 'rewards' the attacking Red team with a territorial advantage??
    Does that make sense?
  5. nightrider56's Avatar
    Probably looking a bit too deeply into this, but i want to try and get as many decisions right as i possibly can. In essence I'm looking for a difference between 'sending' the ball and kicking the ball as the two sections of law seem to differ over this point. Appreciating what you and the others have said here. Clearly kicking the ball is obvious, but how is a ball sent and does this minor point really make such a difference?
  6. crossref's Avatar
    Nightrider, give us a specific scenario you would be unsure about
  7. nightrider56's Avatar
    Thanks for your response and what you say makes sense, but after the phrase "becomes dead there", the law does further state "either because a defender grounded it or because it went into touch-in-goal or on or over the dead ball line" so it's not particularly clear (to me at least, but i am brand new to refereeing!)
  8. Davet's Avatar
    the ball is kicked and it goes through in goal rather than being made dead inside ingoal
  9. Davet's Avatar
    key phrase is "becomes dead there". ie it becomes dead inside in goal. the scrum back option only applies if
  10. nightrider56's Avatar
    even more confused now - so open to 'some' interpretation??
  11. crossref's Avatar
    I guess the 'chopperesque' scenario is

    Red defender in field of play kicks ball

    Blue charges down the kick

    Ball goes over the try line and all the way over the dbl without anyone else touching it

    Do you give red the option of a 22 or scrum where blue charged down? Or simply give them a 22 on the grounds that options only apply to a kick, and it wasn't a kick
  12. John3822's Avatar
    Hi I can think of at least two instances where the ball can be 'sent' into the in-goal by an attacking player. 1) charge down of defending sides kick. 2) Off the head of an attacking player, not a knock-on. I think it is probably better to look at 'send' covering every other option other carrying, and that 'kicking' is one facet of 'sent', but in that one instance the law-makers have decided on a different outcome., Hope that makes sense.