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    I am led to believe there are certain law changes being discussed and I have come to hear of a few more that I am happy to share with you.

    Scrum Cadence:

    The scrum cadence is proposed to change to Crouch - Touch - Set

    The reason for this change is believed to be because SANZAR has accepted that 'Pause' is a nothing word in the situation, and the 'Set' is better as it's a one syllable word, as opposed to 'Engage', a 2 syllable word.

    This is probably in addition to the requirement for straight and steady before the ball is allowed to be put in.

    Ruck:

    The ruck will have a time limit to play the ball of 5 seconds, this is to stop teams wasting game time. I would like to believe that the 5 seconds will be from the time the ball has been one by one side or another, but this is just my assumption. It may be that the whole ruck can only be 5 seconds after which a scrum is called, I hope it isn't.

    Maul:

    The maul will have a change to give the scrum after an unsuccessful maul to the team moving forward prior to it becoming unsuccessful.

    Drop Kicks:

    Unsuccessful drop kicks will result in a scrum back if they go dead.

    So, what do we think of these rumours, we know the opinion of the maul change is divided from posts on this forum, so opinions on these additions will, I'm sure, be divided.
    Comments 13 Comments
    1. Ian_Cook's Avatar
      Ian_Cook -
      1. Excellent. I have been an advocate of the three step engagement since seeing it in action in NZ last year. Effectively it would be Crouch (pause) Touch (pause) Set.

      2. Not convinced. When is the 5 seconds going to start. If the SH can see it, but the ref can't, then what? If the ref has started is count, how will the SH know... a "use it" call? (Dickie E won't like that!). Personally, I think this is an attempt to gloss over a bigger issue, the endless pick & drives in the last few minutes of each half.. Also, I can see it creating problems in some back-lines.

      3. Better than what we have now, but some teams will spend all day mauling and scrummaging... how exciting! . I'd rather see the combination approach I suggested in another thread...http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....l=1#post186330
    1. crossref's Avatar
      crossref -
      1) is definitely good
      - the command to pause is superfluous (they already are paused...)
      - SET is probably better than ENGAGE as ENGAGE does seem to me to be more of a command to make a hit ..
      (engines to warp speed ..... Engage!)

      2) 5 secs is too prescriptive. Why not use something like the U19 Laws on scrums

      20.9 (k) (U19 Variations)
      Ball must be released from scrum. A player must not intentionally keep the ball in the scrum once the player’s team has heeled the ball and controls it at the base of the scrum.
      Sanction: Free Kick


      this does the job, makes teams play the ball, and avoids the type of problems Ian Cook mentions above.
    1. Robert Burns's Avatar
      Robert Burns -
      Still all rumours, but strong rumours.
    1. Robert Burns's Avatar
      Robert Burns -
      Add the drop kick info I got, which I forgot to add earlier.
    1. crossref's Avatar
      crossref -
      I wonder how many syllables are used in the different translations of CTPE..
    1. Ian_Cook's Avatar
      Ian_Cook -
      Quote Originally Posted by Robert Burns View Post
      Add the drop kick info I got, which I forgot to add earlier.

      What drop-kick info was this?
    1. Adam's Avatar
      Adam -
      I don't know whether the word 'set' is better than using 'in'.
    1. Ian_Cook's Avatar
      Ian_Cook -
      Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
      I wonder how many syllables are used in the different translations of CTPE..

      In French...... FTPE (Flexion puis - Touchez - Pause - Entree). I have heard the first stage shortened to "Flex puis" on Top 14

      In Spanish.... ATPF (Acuclillarse - Tocar - Pausa - Formen)

      Don't know what it is in any other languages.
    1. dave_clark -
      i thought in french it was:

      Flexion
      Touchez
      Stop
      Entree

      at least that's what it sounds like on ESPN. not that it matters of course, same number of syllables.
    1. Robert Burns's Avatar
      Robert Burns -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
      What drop-kick info was this?
      Failed Drop Kicks will get the scrum back option.
    1. Adam's Avatar
      Adam -
      When I was in France in 2009 I was told to use: Flexion, Lisez (I assume, it was said lee-yay), Stop, Entrez.
    1. OB..'s Avatar
      OB.. -
      The IRB website has the laws in
      English: Crouch, Touch, Pause, Engage
      French: Flexion, Touchez, Pause, Entrez
      Spanish: Acuclillarse, Tocar, Pausa, Formen
      Italian: Bassi, Toco, Pausa, Ingaggio
      Russian: присед, касание, пауза, контакт
      Japanese and Chinese I'll leave you to work out for yourselves.
    1. crossref's Avatar
      crossref -
      Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
      The IRB website has the laws in
      English: Crouch, Touch, Pause, Engage
      French: Flexion, Touchez, Pause, Entrez
      Spanish: Acuclillarse, Tocar, Pausa, Formen
      Italian: Bassi, Toco, Pausa, Ingaggio
      Russian: присед, касание, пауза, контакт
      Japanese and Chinese I'll leave you to work out for yourselves.
      well the number of syllables doesn't seem to matter too much anyway.
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