In Goal Anxiety revisited.

[Simonsky]

Thought I was getting clearer about InGoal stuff but discover that I'm not-so, a couple of questions:

1) If ball kicked in by attackers but deflects off defender(who is In Goal to go over DB line what's the logic? Defender did not clear the ball intentionally so, presumably, a 22 cannot be awarded-can't seem to find applicable bit of Law book!

2) If ball is kicked into In-Goal by attackers and it deflects of an offside attacker in-goal to go dead then will the choice be: penalty from place of kick/defending 5M scrum?

Groundhog Days with the LoTG!

[Dixie]

Simonsky, in-goal is a pig. Stick with it( ); you'll get there.

The starting point is: who put it in-goal. Therafter, it is the fact that it goes dead that counts, not so much who makes it dead (tries excepted, of course). SO: Red kicks the ball into in-goal, where it bounces off a Blue defender into touch in goal: 22m drop-out. Red kicks the ball into in-goal, where it bounces off a Red attacker into touch in goal: 22m drop-out. In both cases, Red put the ball into in-goal, where it was made dead without a try being scored. The outcome would ahve been the same in the event of a defensive grounding.

Blue kicks towards in-goal, it hits a Red player while still in the field of play, bounces into in-goal and then goes beyond the DBL or into TIG: 5m Blue scrum. The Red player put the ball into in-goal (albeit unintentionally) where it was made dead without a try being scored.

[Toby Warren]

Simple one liner - 'it's how it enters that matters not how it leaves'

[crossref]

2) If ball is kicked into In-Goal by attackers and it deflects of an offside attacker in-goal to go dead then will the choice be: penalty from place of kick/defending 5M scrum?

why wouldn't you award a penalty to the defending team for offside, with choice of PK on 5m line or scrum where the ball was kicked?

[Greg Collins]

"How did it get there?" (in-goal) that is the ONLY factor that determines the outcome regardless of what the other 30 refs on the pitch have to say about it.

[OB..]

Originally Posted by crossref

why wouldn't you award a penalty to the defending team for offside, with choice of PK on 5m line or scrum where the ball was kicked?

You should - except that the mark for the PK can be in in-goal.
Law 21.2 (b)
When a penalty or free kick is awarded to the defending team in in-goal, the mark for the
kick is at the place of infringement

[crossref]

which seems to be contradicted by Law 22.16 (!)

22.16 INFRINGEMENTS IN IN-GOAL
All infringements in the in-goal are treated as if they had taken place in the field of play.
A knock-on or a throw forward in the in-goal results in a 5-metre scrum, opposite the place of infringement.

Sanction: For an infringement, the mark for a penalty kick or free kick cannot be in the ingoal.
When a penalty kick or free kick is awarded for an infringement in the In-goal, the mark for the kick is in the field of play, 5 metres from the goal line, opposite the place of infringement.

[Not Kurt Weaver]

Originally Posted by OB..

You should - except that the mark for the PK can be in in-goal.
Law 21.2 (b)
When a penalty or free kick is awarded to the defending team in in-goal, the mark for the
kick is at the place of infringement

Not in my lawbook , 2009

Has this changed ?

[Taff]

Originally Posted by Simonsky

Thought I was getting clearer about InGoal stuff but discover that I'm not ...

Simonsky, I've made a revised table for about 10 in-goal scenarios. It helped me immensely, and I test myself on it regularly. If you want, I can e-mail it to you. Not sure if I can include it in the post, as I think I've gone over my allocated memory allowance.

[OB..]

Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver

Not in my lawbook , 2009

Has this changed ?

Yes it has.