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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    And meanwhile, Folau is going completely mad.
    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/06/16/israel-folau-devil-transgender-children/
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Heres a detailed discussion of how Israel Folau's case might be determined in English Law , were this a case in England
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    http://rugbyandthelaw.com/2019/06/10/dismissal-israel-folau/
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    God spare me from atheist theologians :biggrin:
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Spare me from theologians!
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Some press reports are suggesting that this will turn on whether he quoted from the bible (ok) or added his own words / interpretation (not Ok)
    That would be entertaining , as we would then need...
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    no, sponsor are just regular companies, no more or less money oriented than professional rugby clubs

    With Paddy Jackson the issue facing both London Irish and Diageo are exactly the same
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    Re: Ref watch..

    I have exactly the same .
    Timex on 40 min count down
    Garmin GPS , on other wrist for tracking and clock
    Spare Timex in bag in case battery dies (which haopened twice to me, last time at a Cup...
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    Re: Ref watch..

    -- Vibrate while paused
    -- are you sure? check if you try and stop the timer before you get to zero (as it's likely a mistake)
    -- ten minute alarm button (for YC) i.e. press it once and you get a...
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    I know I know .. I start a new thread for Paddy Jackson, and what do you know someone mentions Folau again ... It's almost like all these topics are related
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    A minority of christians in the UK , I would hope, yes, but amongst the global population of christians I would not be so sure ...
  11. Inclusiveness in rugby / Maro Itoje interview

    In the times .. paywall, but you can read article a week for free or something like that



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    [Law] Re: Offside support players

    Also with the exception of being offside at a ruck, where you need to make an effort to retire , else you are a lazy runner
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    [Law] Re: Offside support players

    Well, you knew what I meant, but if you want to spell it out you would have to say

    A push to a player who is not carrying the ball is an offence
    (apart from in scrums , rucks and mauls of...
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    But you are implying that
    Rugby values = good
    Sponsors values = bad and money driven

    But what we are actually seeing in these three cases is more like
    Sponsor values = clear and principled...
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    Or is it a complete abrogation of responsibility from the clubs ? Shouldnt the clubs work out their own values and stick to them?
    (To be fair, that is what London Irish have done)
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    Gosh . I assume Ian will ride in with his brand new shiny Off Topic icon for that one
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    In most work places there is a kaleidoscope of aggressive, bullying, sexual, discriminatory or phobic behaviour that would fall well short of a criminal offence, but would get you sacked all the same...
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    Its an interesting view : employees typically have all sorts of obligations in their contract over and above simply not getting any convictions.

    I guess you would hire Israel Folau then ?
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    [Law] Re: Offside support players

    the push is a red herring, because a push is an offence all the time, whether you are offside or not.

    the interesting question is whether, once offside, you can run up the pitch to get yourself...
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    that's a low bar : any behaviour at all that didn't lead to a conviction for a criminal offence is OK for you?

    don't you have any values or code of conduct you'd expect players to adhere to ?
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    [Law] Re: Offside support players

    10.4.b is thinking of the kick scenario .. if you are offside and the ball is kicked in front of you, you have to stop
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    Re: Ref watch..

    For a YC you have to get your card and pencil out, to note down the number . It's not extra work to also write down the time they are allowed back on. (handier than the time they went off). I think...
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    I already said, speaking generally, I believe in the possibility of earning redemption.

    I don't think it's possible to define a general penance threshold is it ? That has to be judged case by...
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    Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    Does he ? I thought he still maintains his innocence.

    Generally speaking I do believe in the possibility of earning redemption so I am open to the possibility of a club employing him.

    I don't...
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    [Law] Re: Offside support players

    Great question.

    Players offside at a ruck have an obligation to put themselves onside without delay (10.11.a). But players who are merely offside in open play do not have that obligation.
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