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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Definitions
    Throw forward: When a player throws or passes the ball forward i.e. if the arms of the player passing the ball move forward.
    I agree it is not crystal clear that "forward" is judged...
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Trespass is not a crime (it's a civil offence) but it becomes Criminal Trespass if any damage is done.

    A local rugby club found Travellers had set up on their ground and called the police, who...
  3. [Scrum] Re: New scrum law to be introduced immediately, apparently...

    Like much of the laws, it is best to use common sense rather than trying to tiptoe through a grammatical minefield.

    I doubt if anybody actually misunderstands what is required.
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    Fowler, Fourth Edition 2015


    It is therefore hardly surprising that Fowler does not give a definitive answer in the current situation.

    One approach is to re-write using 'of'': "[...]to the...
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    Fowler, Fourth Edition 2015


    It is therefore hardly surprising that Fowler does not give a definitive answer in the current situation.

    One approach is to re-write using 'of': "[...]to the...
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    Re: what about this tackle --

    Exactly what sort of precision do you expect in the definition of a late tackle?
    It is down to the judgement of the referee, who takes the various rough guidelines into account. That means there...
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    Re: what about this tackle --

    Much the same here - pragmatic approach rather than rule-based.
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Precisely. Hence the conflict with the law.
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    I was talking about organisations, not adherents.
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    But that is the problem. Many religions encourage/require their adherents to proselytise.
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

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    He is wildly overstating his position. He is not arguing about Freedom of Speech in general. I'm sure he accepts that some restrictions are necessary eg libel and slander;...
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    Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    In 1985 Law 26 is 12 pages long and covers many different scenarios.

    The relevant bit is:
    Misconduct, Dangerous Play
    (3) It is illegal for any player:-
    (a) to strike an opponent;
    (b)...
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    I was a Primary School Governor when the Stephen Lawrence murder took place (1993). The subsequent Macpherson Inquiry (1999) devised the following definition:

    This caused a lot of controversy...
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    Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    To people like Brian Moore, "proper rucking" means rucking players.
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    Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    1996 Law 21 note (ii)
    Players' safety is of primary importance and players should ruck for the ball and not the players on the ground. Players rucking for the ball should attempt to step over other...
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    Re: retaken conversion

    Nor did anybody else.
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    Re: retaken conversion

    The difference in the semantics reflects a difference in attitude.
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    Re: retaken conversion

    Perhaps I should have said "superficial". Context is always important.

    Moreover we all know that some similar bits of law are widely ignored eg 15.11 Once a ruck has formed, no player may handle...
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    Re: retaken conversion

    = Use a more sensible reading.
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    Re: retaken conversion

    It's pretty clear what the Law says[/quote]You are entitled to your view, but are not entitled to claim it is the only possible one.

    The point has been raised that others might take the same view...
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    Re: retaken conversion

    ... and if you had said "the surface reading suggests the same person should take the kick, but in practice it would seem unrealistic to insist on that" then we would not be having an argument.


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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    Perhaps they are just being careful not to give possible cause for a libel suit.
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    Re: retaken conversion

    8.22 If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal,(Re Penalty Kicks)

    At this point "the kicker" is unidentified.

    I think It is unnecessary to read the law as requiring...
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    [Maul] Re: Is this a forward pass?

    If the receiver is in front of the passer, then I cannot see the action as unintentional. The receiver is therefore penalised for being offside.

    If there is some doubt about their alignment, a...
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    [Golden Oldies] Re: Nigel Owens on inclusive rugby.

    The legal case will turn on the legal niceties.

    I agree that the public in general will not care about that, but without it we would have a sigificantly different scenario to deal with.
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