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    [Law] Re: Deliberate knock forward

    I think you have missed a Law. 11.3
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    [Law] Re: KO deliberately not going 10

    We judge intent all the time though.
    Last week a player accidentally knocked me over. We all laughed. If I had judged it was deliberate there would have been less fun :-)
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    There is a definition of played
    It means Intentionally Touched

    (which includes charge downs and, indeed, knock ons for that matter)

    A knock on is playing the ball , but you are not...
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Pinky, tbh i would accept that argument, which is why this discussion normally focuses on the scenario of taking the ball legally into the in goal (carry or kick) and .. then knocking it on inside...
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Flish 7.3.f means something else (see post 23)

    But really any discussion of how tactical and territorial advantage can be gained is pretty esoteric when faced with the simple clarity of 12.11 .....
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    [Law] Re: Deliberate knock forward

    I think intent was pretty clear in this one

    His first touch .. I would allow that, benefit of the doubt , basically trying to catch it.

    His second touch .. definitely deliberate
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Practically speaking Phil's advice is sound .. as the assessor and the players will expect a scrum . For the scenario in the OP out on the field I also recommend a scrum.

    But Phil your reasoning...
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    [Law] Deliberate knock forward

    Here's something we have often discussed hypothetically .. and here it is

    https://www.sareferees.com/News/law-discussion-kolbes-tap/2831386/

    What do we think .. PK ?
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Although at the same time we have seen and discussed examples of elite refs waitng to see where the ball goes and calling no advantage, when the ball is sliced or , even , just misses touch
    ...
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Serious note as it is important : that Law means something else : it means you can't carry on playing advantage when the ball goes dead

    For example blue 11 knocks on, and then he kicks the ball...
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    [Law] Re: Place of Conversion kick

    what I did was : I said yes. For the reasons above.

    But it set me thinking about it. The correct answer, really, must be 'No'
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    [Law] Re: Place of Conversion kick

    I don't think that really gives an advantage to one team though.
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Although if the attackers send the ball into the in goal without a knock on, we see no problem at all in the defenders touching it down and getting a 22m DO ..

    Attackers effectively get rewarded...
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    For clarity ... If this happened in my game (a knock on from the FoP into the ingoal, where defenders touch down) I would also give a defending scrum on the 5m line .. simply because that is what...
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    [Law] Re: Place of Conversion kick

    The try was 6m from the touchline.
    Between the touchline and the 5m line the pitch was ok, but beyond the 5m line all the lineouts had created a massive mud patch. Moving forward or back didn't help...
  16. [CLUB RUGBY] Re: Heineken Champions Cup quarter-final line-up:

    Four home wins, I'd say
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Further back in the thread, the perceived problem is that they get "too much" territorial advantage ! :biggrin:
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    [Law] Place of Conversion kick

    Unusual one for me at the weekend ...
    The kicker asked if he could move the ball away from the line of the try .. but away from the posts, ie a bit closer to the touchline .


    This was to get...
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    If you consider that kicking means advantage over (which is indeed normally the case) ... then your scenario doesn't even need the second player .. the kick could just go into TIG
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    [CLUB RUGBY] Re: Saracens breaching salary cap, yet again.

    I think they figured that if they opened their books, the result would still have been relegation ...
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    The law has quite a lot to say about advantage .. and there is no concept of "too much advantage"

    Scenario :
    - Red knock on inside their own in goal
    - Blue touch down for a try

    Are you...
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    [Law] Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    you should at least attempt to provide a justification based in Law !
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    [Law] Re: Is there a definition of a kicking tee?

    It seems unlikely that you can gain an unfair advantage by stacking two plastic cones.. a commit or garden kicking tee would surely do the job better
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    [CLUB RUGBY] Re: Saracens breaching salary cap, yet again.

    There must be a high chance that the club collapses entirely
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    [CLUB RUGBY] Re: Saracens breaching salary cap, yet again.

    Currently the 12 club premiership is owned by 13 clubs. Awks

    O
    .. everything would be lot easier if one of them happened to collapse completely..
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