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    Default Forward Passes

    Is it me, or has the number of fairly obvious forward passes going un-noticed increased recently.

    There were a couple of massive ones in the England-Samoa game, and tries were scored from them in the Ireland - NZ game.

    Why are the referees, and assistants missing them so regularly? Is it the pace of the game that means the referees are further from play? Are the referees to busy looking for other things that they get missed?

    Anyone got any other thoughts on why this is something else that is creeping in at the Elite level that doesnt seem to be policed very well, along with feeding at the scrum, and scrummaging in general.
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    Default Re: Forward Passes

    At the risk of starting a 250+ post thread; what do you consider a "forward pass" or more correctly "throw forward"



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    Default Re: Forward Passes

    The player catching the ball is nearer the opposition goal line than where the pass originated. The ball has travelled towards the opposition goal line.

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    Default Re: Forward Passes

    I also thought that there was a fairly obvious forward pass leading to a NZ try, at that level they should not be missing that.

    I also thought there was a knock on before BOD picked up and scored, unfortunately they didn't show any good replays.

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    Default Re: Forward Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by upnunder View Post
    The player catching the ball is nearer the opposition goal line than where the pass originated. The ball has travelled towards the opposition goal line.

    Oh dear, I thought you were going to say that?

    What you have described is not necessarily a forward pass.

    I refer you to this answer to a question I asked Mark Lawrence on the SAReferees website.

    http://www.sareferees.co.za/features...ref/898151.htm

    You also might want to look at this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u-97XoJq4g

    And finally, have a look at Hosea Gear's first try against England.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpCd0rRNwNk#t=1m45s

    This is a textbook example of a pass that drifts forward with the momentum of the passer, but is not a forward pass.

    Kaino is right on the England 22 line when he throws the ball with a definite backward motion, but the ball is caught a metre inside the 22. No competent referee would call that a forward pass.
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    Default Re: Forward Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by upnunder View Post
    Is it me, or has the number of fairly obvious forward passes going un-noticed increased recently.

    There were a couple of massive ones in the England-Samoa game, and tries were scored from them in the Ireland - NZ game.

    Why are the referees, and assistants missing them so regularly? Is it the pace of the game that means the referees are further from play? Are the referees to busy looking for other things that they get missed?

    Anyone got any other thoughts on why this is something else that is creeping in at the Elite level that doesnt seem to be policed very well, along with feeding at the scrum, and scrummaging in general.
    I'm not so sure it's the ARs' fault.

    SimonT #24 is interesting in that regard ;http://www.rugbyrefs.com/forums/show...t=11002&page=3
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    Default Re: Forward Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by jjtu View Post
    I also thought that there was a fairly obvious forward pass leading to a NZ try, at that level they should not be missing that.

    I also thought there was a knock on before BOD picked up and scored, unfortunately they didn't show any good replays.
    No - thought that too, as did the ref initially. But the TJ said no, and the replay from behind the goal line, you can see that the player didn't touch it at all, so it was a good try.

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    Default Re: Forward Passes

    Please, no, stop. Not another forward pass thread. Hasn't this been done to death by now. There cannot be anything new to add on any side of the debate.

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    Default Re: Forward Passes

    Think this one has some legs, provided that we don't it descend into what is a forward pass which has been done to death!

    Has there been an increase in uncalled forwad passes?

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