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    Default 5m scrum or 5m L/O

    Defending red takes ball into their 22m, (no ruck, maul, or tackle takes place), red takes ball into in goal, red then kicks from in-goal to touch at 22m. Is this a 5m scrum blue attacking or 5m L/O blue?


    This is hypothetical

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Defending red takes ball into their 22m, (no ruck, maul, or tackle takes place), red takes ball into in goal, red then kicks from in-goal to touch at 22m. Is this a 5m scrum blue attacking or 5m L/O blue?
    I would vote for a Blue LO min 5m from the goal line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    I would vote for a Blue LO min 5m from the goal line.
    Me too. Not sure why a scrum would even be considered.

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    Default Re: 5m scrum or 5m L/O

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Me too. Not sure why a scrum would even be considered.
    Well, I thought a 5m scrum would be considered as there is "no gain in ground" and the kick for touch would have then been as if made dead in the in goal

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    Default Re: 5m scrum or 5m L/O

    OK, I see what you mean. Fair question then.

    I'd still go with lineout on 5 metre.

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    Default Re: 5m scrum or 5m L/O

    I could see the thinking behind the question, but if the ball had been taken back into in-goal and been kicked out but bounced into touch, we would give a LO. To me, the same applies here.

    Now, if the kicker had ballsed it up big time and wellied it over the TiG line, then I'd give a Scrum 5m out.

    I suppose it depends where the ball went dead.
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    Default Re: 5m scrum or 5m L/O

    If the ball went dead in-goal then 5m scrum, since the ball made it all the way out of in goal and up to the 22 then it's a line-out, but since no gain in ground under the stated circumstances, line-out on the 5m.
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    Default Re: 5m scrum or 5m L/O

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    I could see the thinking behind the question, but if the ball had been taken back into in-goal and been kicked out but bounced into touch, we would give a LO. To me, the same applies here.

    Now, if the kicker had ballsed it up big time and wellied it over the TiG line, then I'd give a Scrum 5m out.

    I suppose it depends where the ball went dead.
    But would the scrum be in-line with the kicker or 5m from the touchline?

    It went dead in TiG so I'd go for 5m from the touchline, 5m out - any comments?

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    Default Re: 5m scrum or 5m L/O

    Quote Originally Posted by mark.lucas View Post
    But would the scrum be in-line with the kicker or 5m from the touchline?
    In line with the kicker (at least 5m from the touchline).

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    Default Re: 5m scrum or 5m L/O

    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    If the ball went dead in-goal then 5m scrum.
    Quote Originally Posted by mark.lucas View Post
    But would the scrum be in-line with the kicker or 5m from the touchline?

    It went dead in TiG so I'd go for 5m from the touchline, 5m out - any comments?
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulDG View Post
    In line with the kicker (at least 5m from the touchline).
    I don't think so, Paul. If a kicker on the far left of the pitch kicks a ball into T-I-G on the right of the pitch, I can see no justification whatever for a scrum on the left of the pitch. The kicker did not commit an offence, so you've got no "mark in the sand" in line with which to set the scrum. 22.11(a) is unhelpful in not telling you where to set the scrum; but a bit of extrapolation and common sense dictates that it's in line with where the ball went dead - or if that is within 5m of the touchline, 5m in.

    Consider this: if the kicker had been in the field of play on the far left and had kicked it into T-I-G on the far right, would you still be looking for a scrum on the left?
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