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    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    Lots of good advice.

    Main issues:

    Sound confident and relaxed.

    Go through engage sequence with all FR and FR replacements - this is critical, if you do nothing else do this!

    Pretty much all else is optional,
    Boot and clothing check isn't optional.

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    I'd like to digress slightly (since I obviously can't help with the precise topic). I also used to have an FA qualification, so here's a few things you might find useful.

    Most importantly; did you use a Fox 40? Tornado? Something else pealess? Don't do that. Having said that I'm not at all convinced by these huge wide-mouth Thunderers that the entire rugby world is in love with. They sound beautiful if you're about 5 yards away, but unless you're gonna blow the pea out for everything, I've not seen a referee yet who used one of them and didn't have problems with getting attention in the heat of the moment. The little 660 is the one you want.

    Staying on whistles; your ball out of play whistle can be used for that and other minor stoppages, your old free-kick whistle is now your penalty (or other "major stoppage") whistle, and experiment a bit to find something that sounds reasonably long and happy for tries.

    Read this thread and make sure it's been properly digested. The 10m law is your friend, you use it if any of the minor chirping starts, the stuff that used to annoy you but you'd think "I can't book him for that, it's too soft". Now you can do something about it!

    Most captains will actually behave like team captains and not like another lout with an armband. You can and should use them to your advantage; if he says to you "just bring any problems to me and I'll sort them", there's a better-than-even chance that he might actually mean it. Call time off and warn him before you bin anyone for persistent infringement. A lot of the time this will sort the problem for you, and if it doesn't, being able to say "I told you so" ends any possibility of argument.

    Cards; remember how you got told about the FA's extremely formal procedure for giving them, and probably ignored most of it after half a dozen matches? You want to go back there now. You've probably got a teamsheet so you don't need to worry about getting a name; but you call the player and skipper in, explain to the captain what the offence is, then what the sanction is, then put the card up. This doesn't have to be a speech, though, and because rugby is an enlightened sport they give referees microphones so you can hear examples of good practice from the professional game.

    Finally, running your diagonal will get you funny looks, as will asking club linesmen to flag for offside... ;-)

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    Good post 4eyesbetter.

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    Thanks for all the replies. Lots of useful information in here I can use.

    Paperwork side, I have no clue on what to expect yet. Hopefully someone at the society will give me pointers on Thursday. I do remember having to fill out, in triplicate, every yellow and red card given for the FA though. Is it similar here?

    I'm presuming that I'm going to be given either a non-league game, or some unimportant third team somewhere to cut my teeth on. Not sure if I'll get team sheets. Hell, I'll probably be lucky if entire teams are wearing matching shirts

    I have a thunderer from ELRA training, but wasn't keen on its size, so I'll continue with my smaller ones. They are a pea ones though.

    I've read the thread about dissent. From recent experience running touch on adult rugby, I have a feeling I'm too lenient though. Probably from my football experience where it is almost commonplace. I know the actual ref in the games appeared to hear way more than I did, even from the spectators behind me! I will try and address this with the captains first though in an attempt to stop it starting.

    I had a thought, although it may be me being paranoid... Some mention doing the talks & checks about half an hour before. After that, quite often, the teams retire back to the changing rooms. At this point, they could change kit or damage studs/boots on the concrete...

    And as for the diagonal... It would certainly keep the players on their toes wondering what the ref is up to!

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    Couple of points from me, no mention of discipline, I try to hand this to the Captains, it's usually the last thing I say in my pre match and I reiterate it when I call theCaptains together for the toss. "Discipline is your responsibility as Captain, I have three options to use for this and they start at sh1t (use a different word for junior side, Religious college based side or if an assesor is listening....) and get progressivly worse, do we agree? Thank you".

    I also in the early stage of my talk make myself available for any player to talk to me before KO. Be open and approachable.

    The other advise for all referees just starting or experienced, is Smile, its really difficult to get cross with players when your smiling.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    Lots of good advice.

    Main issues:

    Sound confident and relaxed.

    Go through engage sequence with all FR and FR replacements - this is critical, if you do nothing else do this!

    Pretty much all else is optional,
    Boot and clothing check isn't optional.
    Boot and clothing check are not part of the pre-match chat. They're mandatory, but not something to discuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Agree - I ask the coach when he/she would like the boots and talk done. At that stage it's about working with the Coach and Captain. When we start to actually talk, the dynamic changes to me taking control, but it's a nice touch to look like you're not an autocratic prick
    This also does a couple more things than coming across as Mr Empathy (which, in my case, evaporates at kick-off):
    1. It gives the referee an idea as to whether the coach/captain has a friggin' clue. Vapid looks and gallic shrugs are not a good sign of things to come.
    2. It also defers all responsibility to the teams so that they look the idiots if they're pissing around when you've turned up at the agreed-upon time.

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    Oh, and I brief the captains at the toss:

    We're a team today so please work with me. Remember your are responsible for your teams.
    It's cool that this stuff works for other referees (horses for courses and all that); it sounds too much of a love-in for me, but then I'm used to a less, hmmm, touchy feely approach

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    Boot and clothing check are not part of the pre-match chat. They're mandatory, but not something to discuss.
    We are advising a new ref at his first game.

    Your advise was that the only mandatory item was the FR brief.

    Hide behind semantics if you wish to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
    It's cool that this stuff works for other referees (horses for courses and all that); it sounds too much of a love-in for me, but then I'm used to a less, hmmm, touchy feely approach
    Saying that I've been told I need to be more nasty on the pitch as they don't want to be my friend in the bar, so why should you be theirs on the pitch?

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    Whatever.

    But if you want to go through the whole process for a brand new ref then you should probably tell him about when to arrive, what to wear, and his warm ip routine as well.

    Or you may simply stick to the subject he asked about and assume he's an adult with a few ideas about the rest already.

    You may hide behind pedantry if you wish.
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