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    Default Re: New Ref : First Game : My post match thoughts/report.

    Couple more thoughts:

    What actually helped me quite a bit when I was starting out was running touch for a ref at slightly higher level (say 10) but with more experience. See where he stands, what he does. More importantly notice how he gets decisions wrong. You know, blatantly wrong. But the players don't seem to mind, or if they do they keep it to themselves cos if they don't... PING.

    Get involved with your U14s as crossref said, the coach reffing is not ideal.

    Get involved with some training sessions at your club. Less pressure, more time to think, could help quite a bit.

    Above all though I must repeat what I said: it does get easier (even your 2nd game), and the only real way you'll get over the bad experience is to get out there and do it again. The longer you leave it the tougher it'll be.

    The game needs you, so chin up!

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    Default Re: New Ref : First Game : My post match thoughts/report.

    Psychic,
    Many thanks for your post, like others I have been their (many times).
    Please consider continuing. I am lucky my job allows me time off mid-week and I have developed a number of contacts in local schools. The PE teachers will phone and I referee there younger age group sides. These are fun, less cheating, more 'pure' rugby and generally the players just want to play. OK so no beer afterwards, but it helped me no end re positioning.
    Listen to the advise being given it is all good. Everyone on this forum has had a bad game, the best advise is 'get back on the bike asap'
    Please let us know how you get on

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    Default Re: New Ref : First Game : My post match thoughts/report.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    .... the coach really shouldn't be reffing: .... Perhaps he's secretly dying for you to step up and offer to take the reffing off his hands?
    If he's anything like our local coach, he'll be over the moon if someone volunteers to ref. The local coach will now hunt me out to ask if I will run the line; he will do it if he has to but would far rather keep an eye on his team than everything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    ... I am lucky my job allows me time off mid-week and I have developed a number of contacts in local schools. The PE teachers will phone and I referee there younger age group sides. These are fun, less cheating, more 'pure' rugby and generally the players just want to play. OK so no beer afterwards, but it helped me no end re positioning.
    Bang on. I'm lucky that I can get to referee a local Secondary schools games. The kids are pretty unforgiving if / when you make a mistake, there are hardly ever any parents so the pressure is as close to zero as you can get. You'd be surprised how quickly it builds your confidence.

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    Default Re: New Ref : First Game : My post match thoughts/report.

    Hi Psychic,

    As you have seen from most of the responses, everyone knows to some extent how you feel.
    My first game was supposed to be an U13s match that was washed out. Two weeks later I debuted in a senior game so I can relate to a lot of what you have written. Like others, I admire the courage it took to post your honest self appraisal.
    If I may offer something for you to consider.
    1) Try to go to local games that are being reffed by someone considered to be a good ref and watch his positioning, how he gets there quickly, how calmly he talks to the players and how he uses tone to communicate. Do this as often as you can. It's a good excuse to take your son to the rugby.
    2) Whilst observing, referee the game in your head.
    3) Do an AR's course and run touch for as high a level as you are comfortable with for your society and get to know the assessors and referees.
    4) If possible, at some stage, see if you can sit along side an assessor when he is watching a good ref and see if you can listen through the comms gear. If that can be arranged, you will really learn a lot about communication with players.
    5) Try to start with reffing U14s
    6) Don't give up

    After my baptism of fire in the seniors, my next 3 games were juniors and the 3rd U14s game was an absolute joy to be a part of. It is an easy age group to help you to get your positioning sorted out.
    I have a good guide book for refereeing here somewhere. If I can find a PDF copy, I'll send it to you.

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    Psychic

    You've just done part one of the advanced refereeing course.

    Part two is easier, you have learned a lot and can start to hang it together.

    You say you missed a lot- so do all refs, look at Bryce Lawrence ...

    Players will yap at you, if you let them. Just be firm and calm, "gents, keep quiet, please. Questions through the captain, and no appeals. If you continue then I'll have to penalise."

    Next comment, ping.

    You say that you feel as if you are at fault for a wrong decision, and penalising the commentary would compound your fault. It doesn't. All players have been on the wrong end of poor decisions, because all refs make them, and most make at least one poor decisions every game. The players know they cannot comment and dispute, if they choose to do so then they are responsible for the consequences, not you.

    Anything worth doing has some pain attached, and if reffing was easy then any fool could do it. Grit teeth and suffer a little longer, like a long steep climb up a mountain it can be painful and you may well want to stop, but if you persevere it will be well worth it, and you will have not only achieved something to be proud of but you will make many friends along the way.
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    Default Re: New Ref : First Game : My post match thoughts/report.

    Psychic - perhaps you could offer to referee a few adult training sessions at your club?
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    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Hi
    I was playing in this game and after reading your post I thought as a player I would just put My view across
    Just a few points.
    1. You were the quietest ref I've had ref a game
    If you let the players know why you blew even if
    It was right or wrong you would not of had their captain
    Chatting to you all game and may stop the
    Frustration of players not knowing why they had
    Been penalised which as a player felt crepted into the game.
    2.
    It seemed that you were swayed by the older players in what they thought
    What was happening from both sides. Instead of sticking to your guns
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    You should of given a yellow or 2 which would of made players stop an think about there actions before saying anything about your refing.
    4. When you've blown the whistle make your signals clear I.e when giving a penalty etc etc
    I give you full respected as I've seen refs who have been given abit of stick just give up on the game and it just goes into mass mayhem!!!! But you carried on till the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadman View Post
    I was playing in this game and after reading your post I thought as a player I would just put My view across
    Just a few points.
    1. You were the quietest ref I've had ref a game If you let the players know why you blew even if It was right or wrong you would not of had their captain
    Chatting to you all game and may stop the Frustration of players not knowing why they had Been penalised which as a player felt crepted into the game.
    I reckon it must be a common problem because I did the same - possibly because I didn't know exactly what I wanted to say, but I knew something looked wrong. And if in doubt, people tend to clam up. As he gets more confident, he will know what he wants to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deadman View Post
    2. It seemed that you were swayed by the older players in what they thought What was happening from both sides. Instead of sticking to your guns ..
    There's an old Army saying "The important thing is to make a decision. If it happens to be the right decision - that's even better".

    As with a lot of Army sayings as well as being humerous, they usually hit the nail smack on the head. It probably would have worked better for the ref in your game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post

    There's an old Army saying "The important thing is to make a decision. If it happens to be the right decision - that's even better".

    It probably would have worked better for the ref in your game.
    What I think is hard is mastering the technique of forgetting about a wrong decision -- I don't mean forgetting completely, its a learning point to remember later -- but the need to put it outr of your mind there and then on the pitch. You can't run around reffing, mind still niggled by a bad call three minutes ago... I think that's quite a big difference between being new and being experienced. It's partly making fewer mistakes, but it's partly that a mistake doesn't put a good ref off-balance. Psychics post describes quite well the sense of becoming overwhelmed by doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic View Post
    So, after passing my ELRA two seasons back, I finally got round to actually reffing my first game today. A level 11 adult game - a couple of ‘seconds’ teams - but still a league match, so the result was (I presume) important.
    Perhaps worth pointing out for some that in Somerset they do not have Merit Tables or similar (though a few clubs have teams in the Gloucestershire Reserve Leagues). Their lower teams play in the RFU league structure. This game was in the bottom such league.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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