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    Hi Simon

    I'm not surprised they are thinking of getting rid of a 14 match league, it sounds very intense and leaves little room for friendlies and fun.

    Surrey is only 7 matches and if we wanted to do 14 fixtures (which some might) would definitely go for a pre-christmas and post christmas league. The post Christmas league being very different due to the involvement of day school 1st XV players.

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    Interesting.

    I know our sporting psyches are very different, but if we didn't run fully competitive leagues with 14 home & away games and end of year playoffs from Under 10 up we would have zero players.

    Even starting as late as Under 10 gets unbelieving stares from our RL and soccer brethren.

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    But do they play at school as well?

    The issue is often not the lack of competitive spirit - I have yet to meet a 10 year old rugby player who was not competitive. It is more to do with the number of competitive games of rugby per week and cumulative over season that young physiques can stand.

    Many youngsters over here play at school, and are members of a club as well. Some schools are very (and I mean VERY) insistent that they come first.

    Mainly these are elite schools with a strong rugby tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    Many youngsters over here play at school, and are members of a club as well. Some schools are very (and I mean VERY) insistent that they come first.

    Mainly these are elite schools with a strong rugby tradition.

    "Money doesn't talk, it swears!" Bob Dylan.
    the RFU regulations actually specify that schools come first.
    this applies to all schools, not just private ones!

    1.5 Every effort must be taken to ensure that talented players are not overplayed and
    these players should give priority to school rather than club activities and to CB
    fixtures rather than School/Club.


    http://www.rfu.com/TheGame/~/media/F...uidelines.ashx

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    Joining late, and not much to add on general debate except that if I'd found myself in a position where I didn't feel I had any other option than YC'ing a 12 year-old for team offending I'd be asking severe questions of my own management.

    However crossref asks (and others have raised the issues of competitive vs non-competitive):
    "are leagues really that different from friendlies and cup games?"

    The answer is a resounding YES at least to the kids. I base myself on a survey taken of some fairly large number (323 at least as 323 was the largest option given) u11 (so younger accepted) footballers who were asked what their top 7 priorities during a football season. They were given a list of 15 options to choose from. The top priority (with 323) was "to be with my mates". A significant number, although nowhere near totality (about 207 but this could be shaky memory) was "to win games". but only 7 (that's right, 7 out of 323 at least) had as one of their 7 priorities "winning trophies". It's an interesting thing.

    Sure, different sport, and different age level. And you could argue that part of a coach's job is to teach players to want to win leagues as well as matches. But to put all the emphasis on achieving high league positions at a young age is clearly at odds with what the kids themselves want out of the game. I don't think that's a good thing.

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    do you mean the answer is a resounding NO, rather than YES? or have i missed something?
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    Crossref - and why do you think that is?

    Could it be that the rule makers at the RFU are mostly "old boys" doing their bit for the alma mater.

    You see if I made the rules - it would be the other way round.

    Schools - certainly normal schools as opposed to expensive fee paying centres of privilege - play many sports, and generally are master of none. Rugby clubs play rugby. And that should be where the future of the sport lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenko View Post
    Games are not home and away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    Crossref - and why do you think that is?

    Could it be that the rule makers at the RFU are mostly "old boys" doing their bit for the alma mater.

    You see if I made the rules - it would be the other way round.

    Schools - certainly normal schools as opposed to expensive fee paying centres of privilege - play many sports, and generally are master of none. Rugby clubs play rugby. And that should be where the future of the sport lies.
    aside: almost all the boys at my club play rugby for state schools. What you presumably call 'normal' schools, and we get the same school/club problems. The schools win partly because of the RFU rules, but more because they play on saturday and we play on sunday.

    RFU - -the reasoning I have heard is that schools need some protection becasue they must find their squad from the very small pool of boys availaible to them at the school A school rugby coach can't have a recruitment drive asking every boy to bring a mate to training, to try and find three more forwards, like a club coach can. A club coach's pool of players is anyone within travelling distance.

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    Just out of interest I got a report from our CB today looking to introduce leagues into our area from U13 upwards.

    IMHO this will kill the game stone dead here. Apologies as this probably isn't the forum for this debate.
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