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    Default Re: Weird In-Goal Play Question

    Quote Originally Posted by DrSTU View Post
    You sir are correct. Encourage the game not the pedantry.
    I would also understand what is meant by these terms if used in a rugby game:
    Umpire
    Double Movement
    Touchdown
    Fair catch
    Let him up
    Punt
    Linesman
    etc
    etc

    That is no reason to use them. Rather than pedantry, lets call it "correct use of terminology".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Not really. Just call it what it is, "In Goal". Otherwise you might as well call it a wheelbarrow.
    The correct term is "in-goal". Please use that or the next thing you know we'll be using knock-on and line-out and and then the world will end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    The correct term is "in-goal".
    in goal
    In-goal
    In-Goal
    IN-GOAL

    They all sound the same when spoken. However since you mention it.........

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Please use that or the next thing you know we'll be using knock-on
    What? like they do in the law book?

    Law 12 - Knock-on or Throw-forward.

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    Default Re: Weird In-Goal Play Question

    For me the essence of a charge down is that the charger had acted essentially before he knew quite where the ball was going, and had no time to react to it.
    Surely the essence of a charge down is that charger knows pretty much exactly what is happening - the kicker is about to kick, and he can see pretty much where the kick is going and does his level best to get in the way and block the ball in the air? It is a deliberate act.
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    Default Re: Weird In-Goal Play Question

    Agree - a charge down is a deliberate act. Anything else is a rebound.

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    poor old jdeagro - must be thinking what a right lot of nutters we've got here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    in goal
    In-goal
    In-Goal
    IN-GOAL

    They all sound the same when spoken. [/LAWS]
    Ah, a part-time pedant. A bit like being half pregnant.

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    Default Re: Weird In-Goal Play Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    I would also understand what is meant by these terms if used in a rugby game:
    Umpire
    Double Movement
    Touchdown
    Fair catch
    Let him up
    Punt
    Linesman
    etc
    etc

    That is no reason to use them. Rather than pedantry, lets call it "correct use of terminology".
    Touchdown. We actually do have that term in the LotG, but its two words, not one, and actually means something else...

    Law 22 In-Goal DEFINITIONS
    When defending players are first to ground the ball in in-goal, the defending players make a touch down.

    ....so its one that should be avoided.


    Fair Catch. This actually WAS the correct term for the Mark in 1996. OB will probably know when it changed back to being just mark...

    LAW 16. FAIR-CATCH (MARK)

    (a) A player makes a fair-catch when in his twenty-two meters area or in his In-goal, he, having at least one foot on the ground, cleanly catches the ball direct from a kick by one of his opponents and, at the same time, he exclaims "Mark!"

    (b) A free kick is awarded for a fair-catch.


    Punt. I don't know why you think this is incorrect.....

    Laws of the Game - General Definitions
    Punt: The ball is dropped from the hand or hands and kicked before it touches the ground.


    IMO, it is far more important to give the OP (an inexperienced referee asking a legitimate question) some good information and answers to HIS QUESTION, rather than side-track the thread into with nitpicking irrelevancies or getting jobsworth over his use of some colloquial terminology.

    The correct "words" are not important to start with, so long as we all understand what he means. The refinements of correct terminology can come later.
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    Default Re: Weird In-Goal Play Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    I would also understand what is meant by these terms if used in a rugby game:
    Umpire
    Double Movement
    Touchdown
    Fair catch
    Let him up
    Punt
    Linesman
    etc
    etc

    That is no reason to use them. Rather than pedantry, lets call it "correct use of terminology".
    Punt is defined in the Laws. Umpire and Fair Catch were rugby terms in the 19th century, and the latter survived up to 1999. "Double movement" misleads a lot of people and is therefore bad. "Let him up" is a basic law error.

    Why the need to exaggerate? Yes it is theoretically better to avoid possible confusion by using the terms in the Laws, but in reality does anybody do that all the time? Is "jackler" in the laws? Or "tackle zone"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    Surely the essence of a charge down is that charger knows pretty much exactly what is happening - the kicker is about to kick, and he can see pretty much where the kick is going and does his level best to get in the way and block the ball in the air? It is a deliberate act.
    Of course it is a deliberate act. I did not say otherwise. He guesses where the kick is going and does indeed do his level best to block it, but has effectively no chance to react to the actual kick because he is too close.

    Charge down. If a player charges down the ball as an opponent kicks it, or immediately after the kick, it is not a knock-on, even though the ball may travel forward.
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