I am glad we've got all this clear then.
and I still think we need to take the scrum half into account.
In my mind
- when the ball appears at A or B it's not out
- if the SH picks it up and passes it in the normal way, it's out when it crosses the red line
- BUT if the scrum half puts his hands on the ball in A or B, and then stops for a while, stationary, looking around him left and right to see what he wants to to do, weighing options, with his hands firmly around the ball - then he's fair game, so the ball effectively is out now, even though it hasn't moved from A or B.
I'd draw the red line tighter to the feet between players, A would be out - call, "play on!"
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Frankly there are so many positional variations possible that I do not think you can lay down specific metrics. The difference between Ian's red lines and Davet's is a case in point. I agree with the approach, but the implementation is always going to depend on the referee's judgement and management.
Perhaps the proposed ELV that makes the midline of the scrum the offside line for the non-winning scrum half is a good idea after all!
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