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    Default Re: Offside under 10m Law - Where is the place for the PK?

    I agree with Davet's #2.

    But as Bryan says it does seem inequitous (is that a word?).

    For all other offside offences the PK is given where the player should have been (ie the offside line). If I was king I would apply same principle - PK where the kick occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    He first infringed when he failed to either (in case of 10m law) retreat or (in case of standard open play) stop advancing. So the place of infringement is where that happened. Yes - if was a long way downfield that is where the kick is from, and I suspect that's why there is an option to have a scrum where the ball was last played.
    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    But he's offside the moment he moves forward - so if he moves forward to increase his distance from his goalline he is pingable at that point, so he doesn't get further than he is.
    As you said, in the case of the 10m Law standing still (ie not moving forward) isn't an option - he actively needs to move babckwards. My point is (the way the law is currently worded) if the offside player stands where the ball is going to land, assuming there are no onside players putting people onside he's 10m better off than having the mark for that PK on the 10m offside line. Personally I would have the mark on the imaginary 10m line itself or as Dickie puts it "all other offside offences the PK is given where the player should have been (ie the offside line)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    I can't help thinking that the mark for the PK will eventually get changed. The way the law is worded at the moment, it encourages the offending player to be as offside as possible to get the mark for the PK as far away from his goal line as possible. Eg if the offender is say 9m offside, he's better off than being just 1m offside because the mark for the PK will be 8m further away from the goal posts.

    If it was up to me, I would have the PK mark on the 10m offside line or shorter if his team mate is trying to put him onside.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    it does seem inequitous (is that a word?).
    No. The word is "inequitable".

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    For all other offside offences the PK is given where the player should have been (ie the offside line). If I was king I would apply same principle - PK where the kick occurred.
    Or, more precisely, PK at the intersection of the offside line drawn through the kicker parallel to the goal line, and a line drawn through the offside player parallel to the touchline. Surely if the offside player is hugging a touchline, a kick in front of the posts is inequitous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    As you said, in the case of the 10m Law standing still (ie not moving forward) isn't an option - he actively needs to move backwards. My point is if the offside player stands where the ball is going to land, assuming there are no onside players putting people onside he's 10m better off than having the mark for that PK on the 10m offside line.
    But Taff, he's offside where he's offside. Imagine a Blue kick at the 22, landing on halfway, with the offside player at the Red 10m line. He's offside. He's also offside at the halfway. He's also offside at the Blue 10m. He's also offside 1m ahead of the 22m line. Why limit it to the Blue 10m line when that is not the limit of the offsideness (is that a word?)? Why not accept Dickie E as your king?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    Why not accept Dickie E as your king?
    Thanks Dixie. You can be my queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Thanks Dixie. You can be my queen.
    You'll also need a valet and everything. Is there a kingston Town in Victoria?
    Don't feed the pedant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    ... But Taff, he's offside where he's offside.
    But you could say the same for an offside player caught on the wrong side (and not retreating) of a maul or ruck offside line. If a player is on the wrong side of the 10m offside line at a LO or the offside line at a scrum, we give the mark on the offside line, not where the offside player was standing. I don't understand why the mark for being offside under the 10m law is different.
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    Default Re: Offside under 10m Law - Where is the place for the PK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I agree with Davet's #2.

    But as Bryan says it does seem inequitous (is that a word?).

    For all other offside offences the PK is given where the player should have been (ie the offside line). If I was king I would apply same principle - PK where the kick occurred.
    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    But you could say the same for an offside player caught on the wrong side (and not retreating) of a maul or ruck offside line. If a player is on the wrong side of the 10m offside line at a LO or the offside line at a scrum, we give the mark on the offside line, not where the offside player was standing. I don't understand why the mark for being offside under the 10m law is different.
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    I agree.
    so do I.

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    Default Re: Offside under 10m Law - Where is the place for the PK?

    Quite - but it's just that what the Law says is different, and that's what we have to apply - whether we like it or not.

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    Default Re: Offside under 10m Law - Where is the place for the PK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    Quite - but it's just that what the Law says is different, and that's what we have to apply - whether we like it or not.
    Agreed Davet, which is why I said

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    I can't help thinking that the mark for the PK will eventually get changed.
    It makes sense to have sanctions being as consistent as possible, especially when an inconsitency favours the offending team.
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