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    Default Re: RugbyRefs.com Law Clarification Request - Knock On

    I think that is an excellent clarification request Robbie, I hope it gets put forward.
    Very clear waht we want.
    Just to add to the scenario what if a player was really juggling wioth the ball trying to gain clear possesion but doesn't then kicks it, now that would look wrong if we said play on
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    Default Re: RugbyRefs.com Law Clarification Request - Knock On

    Following the discussion in the George North thread (judging if the ball hit the hands/arms last) I suggest the following re-write, which also incorporates my view that the law currently allows too much latitude:

    A knock-on may occur when:
    (i) a player attempts to catch the ball and fails, or
    (ii) a player loses possession of the ball, or
    (iii) a player hits the ball with hand or arm, or
    (iv) the ball hits a player's hand or arm.

    This is a knock-on if the ball goes forward and
    (a) out of the player's reach, or
    (b) hits the ground or another player before the player catches it.

    Exceptions: (1) it is not a knock-on if the ball is pulled out of a player's possession by an opponent.
    (2) A charge down is not a knock-on. A charge down occurs when a player in the immediate vicinity of a kicker attempts to block the kick.
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    Default Re: RugbyRefs.com Law Clarification Request - Knock On

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post

    A knock-on may occur when:
    (i) a player attempts to catch the ball and fails, or

    This condition is achieved even if the player doesn't touch the ball or it hits his leg, etc

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    I think DickieE has got you there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    I think DickieE has got you there!
    You don't catch the ball with your leg, but I agree I need to insert something like "makes contact with hands or arms"

    Amended version:
    (i) a player attempts to catch the ball, making contact with hand or arm, or
    I think the subsequent requirements mean I do not need to specify failure.
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    I have given a scrum for a lost forward, when it is fumbled and "kicked" but not under control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyscott View Post
    I have given a scrum for a lost forward, when it is fumbled and "kicked" but not under control.
    I'll add another exception:

    (3) It is not a knock-on if the ball is released forward in order to effect a punt or drop kick.

    I claim "released" implies a deliberate act, not a fumble, and also disallows throwing the ball up over an opponent and then kicking it before it lands.
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    OB..

    Are you claiming, that if a player tries intentionally to kick, but for whatever reason the kick fails (tackled, or poor release) that we do not have a knock on?
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    Default Re: RugbyRefs.com Law Clarification Request - Knock On

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Burns View Post
    OB..

    Are you claiming, that if a player tries intentionally to kick, but for whatever reason the kick fails (tackled, or poor release) that we do not have a knock on?
    Yes.

    I think it downright ridiculous to say that it is legal for a player to release the ball forward for a kick, but then say that an opponent can make that illegal after he has released.

    I think the case where a player fails to make contact of any sort entirely through his own fault is essentially limited to very young age groups. Moreover it is hard to see how a player can gain any advantage from missing, so it is not a concern.
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