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    Question Where's the offsides line?

    I recently read a post someone made (which at the time made sense in my head) that stated just because two people who are rucking disengage from each other doesn't mean the ruck ended. Essentially they were going by the ruck laws saying that a ruck can only end a few ways, and if the rucking players disengage (and presumably) setup on-sides (respectively) the ruck is still not over.

    My question is in regard to this, in scenario that their are only 2 people rucking (1 player from each team.) Where are the off-sides lines for both the attacking and defending team if the only two rucking players are no longer engaged in the ruck? (I don't think it makes a difference if the tackled player is still on the ground, under the ruck in this case, but use your judgement and answer accordingly if you think the tackled player (and / or tackler) being on the ground under the ruck in this scenario affects the outcome.)

    I think I have an idea of how I'd perceive it, but I don't want to give anyone any ideas without their own input first. :P

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    I would say that if there are no more people in the ruck, than the ruck has ended. Ruck definition:
    .... one or more players from each team...

    Does it matter if the ball leaves the ruck, or if the ruck leaves the ball?

    If only one team leaves, you still have a ruck.

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    RULING 3: 2007Law Ruling by Designated Members of Rugby Committee
    1 October 2007
    The GRU has requested a ruling with regard to Law 16.6 Successful end to
    a ruck
    1. A ruck is formed and the ball is playable for Team A. All players in Team B
    now leave the ruck and step back. Is there still a ruck or has the ruck ended?
    The Designated Members have ruled the following in answer to the question
    raised:
    - A ruck ends successfully when the ball leaves the ruck or when the ball enters
    in goal ie. on or over the goal line.
    - A ruck ends unsuccessfully when the ball becomes unplayable.
    - As there has been a ruck formed initially, AND the criteria for a successful or
    unsuccessful ruck have not been exhibited, then the ruck has not ended.
    The offside lines must run through the hindmost parts of the remaining players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    The offside lines must run through the hindmost parts of the remaining players.
    So if there's only one player left in the ruck the opposing backlines would be nose to nose
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    RULING 3: 2007Law Ruling by Designated Members of Rugby Committee
    1 October 2007
    The GRU has requested a ruling with regard to Law 16.6 Successful end to
    a ruck
    1. A ruck is formed and the ball is playable for Team A. All players in Team B
    now leave the ruck and step back. Is there still a ruck or has the ruck ended?
    The Designated Members have ruled the following in answer to the question
    raised:
    - A ruck ends successfully when the ball leaves the ruck or when the ball enters
    in goal ie. on or over the goal line.
    - A ruck ends unsuccessfully when the ball becomes unplayable.
    - As there has been a ruck formed initially, AND the criteria for a successful or
    unsuccessful ruck have not been exhibited, then the ruck has not ended.
    The offside lines must run through the hindmost parts of the remaining players.
    If there are no defending team players left in the ruck, then the practice (although not stated in the Law book) similar to a one team maul would be used ie: team in possession = last foot, team not in possession = foremost foot of the foremost player in the ruck, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    So if there's only one player left in the ruck the opposing backlines would be nose to nose
    Idea is to make sure after the tackle you lay horizontal and not vertical like the law makers thought it would happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    RULING 3: 2007Law Ruling by Designated Members of Rugby Committee
    1 October 2007
    The GRU has requested a ruling with regard to Law 16.6 Successful end to
    a ruck
    1. A ruck is formed and the ball is playable for Team A. All players in Team B
    now leave the ruck and step back. Is there still a ruck or has the ruck ended?
    The Designated Members have ruled the following in answer to the question
    raised:
    - A ruck ends successfully when the ball leaves the ruck or when the ball enters
    in goal ie. on or over the goal line.
    - A ruck ends unsuccessfully when the ball becomes unplayable.
    - As there has been a ruck formed initially, AND the criteria for a successful or
    unsuccessful ruck have not been exhibited, then the ruck has not ended.
    The offside lines must run through the hindmost parts of the remaining players.
    But I'm wondering in regards to if there are no remaining players partaking in the ruck. That is my specific scenario (though perhaps foolish for the attacking team to not have any participating players in the ruck.) Where would the offsides line be then, if there are no hindmost parts of remaining because no players remain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassie View Post
    Idea is to make sure after the tackle you lay horizontal and not vertical like the law makers thought it would happen.
    That depend upon the size of the gate you want.
    The tenet that a referee is the sole arbiter of fact and law, allows me to be wrong, not stupid.

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    The ball has successfully left the ruck as there is no ruck therefore no offside lines
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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    the OPs scenario does not seem to be the same as the lar ruling scenrio.


    ruck is over.

    didds

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