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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    So what if it was, say 2 from each side contesting the ruck and they all fall over around the ball...the ball is accessible. Will you then allow any of the SH to just reach in and take the ball??

    We've been told (from within our association head honchos/coaches/assessors) that the ruck isn't over as the criteria for a ruck ended has not been met, and therefore the SH can't just reach in and grab it. What needs to occur is that bound players are to enter the 'ruck' and ruck past the ball. This effectively means the ruck is won by that side and the SH is free to play the ball? So is that advice totally wrong???
    Hmmm - yes, butttttttttttt. Is there a contest for the ball at that point? All the potential contesters are on the ground and out of the game. A scrum half could reach that far in if they were on their feet and there was no contest - why not here when there's no contest?
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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    Technically they are correct.

    In real life they would be rightly castigated for being over-zealous, jobsworth arses.

    The ball is laying there free and clear, and you want to make life difficult - I suspect the only response would be "Jeez, mate - are you one dingo short of a pack?"
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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    Actually it's a 6-pack short of a slab....but that's by the by.

    And it's not me that wants to make it difficult.....my coach's and assessors do and if I don't do as they say...well that just makes me incompetent regardless of what the players and spectators think.
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    Challenge them.

    Ask them what the game gains by prohibiting a player from stepping in and picking up the ball, which is laying on the ground in the open with no one on their feet in the vicinity, and starting to play rugby?
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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reindeer Flotilla View Post
    If there are no players left in the ruck, isn't the ball out, e.g., 100% visible from a bird's-eye view?
    be careful hanging your hat on the "birds eye" stuff. there are plenty of times the ball is visible via bird eye when the ball is not out. rather think of the ball not in the chalk circle around the ruck mass.

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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    A scrum half could reach that far in if they were on their feet and there was no contest - why not here when there's no contest?
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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    Quote Originally Posted by ddjamo View Post
    be careful hanging your hat on the "birds eye" stuff. there are plenty of times the ball is visible via bird eye when the ball is not out. rather think of the ball not in the chalk circle around the ruck mass.
    Can you give an example?

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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reindeer Flotilla View Post
    Can you give an example?
    Sure. #8 bound in with body/legs at 45 degrees with ball between feet.
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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    Hmmm - yes, butttttttttttt. Is there a contest for the ball at that point? All the potential contesters are on the ground and out of the game. A scrum half could reach that far in if they were on their feet and there was no contest - why not here when there's no contest?
    Fair call Dixie...but I see there being a difference. One situation is when the ruck has already been won and contest over while the other there may not be a ruck winner (although the contest is over). Or are you advocating whichever player grabs the ball (through gate, on feet, etc etc) then their team have just won the ruck?

    Not agreeing or disagreeing...just trying to thrash out and navigate the approach you're suggesting.
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    Default Re: Where's the offsides line?

    Interesting thread.
    More and more little scenarios being added but could I just suggest that if a ruck had formed, then all players in the ruck end up off their feet with the ball in there somewhere, not having been won by either team. Before another player acting as the SH can go ferreting in there trying to dig the ball out, I would whistle and stop play calling unplayable (ie: unsuccessful end to a maul) and award a scrum to the team going forward or as per the other order of scrum feed as per Law 16. I wouldn't be standing there trying to work out where the offside lines were hoping that someone is eventually going to get the ball to their side and then keep playing.
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