View Poll Results: Should ref allow play to continue?

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  • Yes. Play recommences as soon as Blue takes the restart. Law is silent on fresh ball

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    Default Re: Quick restart

    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    Which is the home team? Everyone seems to be assuming Blue; it could easily be Red and the club routine for every match and every score. After all, it is the ball boy's moment of glory, delivering the ball to the centre, so there may be no ill intent at all. In the finals matches at the National Schools Sevens, a fresh ball is placed in the middle after every try by the organiser's ball boys. The referee has to make sure that he/she gets ready in good time!
    it doesnt really matter. The Law says "a team" can't get an advantage from using a spare ball.

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    Default Re: Quick restart

    So how long do they have to wait for the other team to dawdle back into position? The referee does not blow his/her whistle to restart play (Law 6.A.7) so I am happy that they restart when they are ready - and I will make sure that I am ready for them too. If it is a standard procedure that a fresh ball is placed at the centre for each re-start (as at NSS finals), and particularly if Red are the home team, then wake up Red and play on. If it is Blue's ground, then on the first occasion it may well be appropriate to pull them back, but only on the first; I will be warning Red to be ready in time on the next occasion. And I will have a jaundiced view of Red's inactivity if I have managed to get in position for Blue's re-start, whilst Red have been celebrating the successful kick at the corner flag because they normally play with a round ball.

    As so often, the context DOES matter.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Quick restart

    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    So how long do they have to wait for the other team to dawdle back into position?
    If I'm back in the middle, have updated my scorecard and am ready to go then other other team have certainly had time to get back, same ball or not, off we go. If it's not the same ball then they can wait for me, if it's the same ball then I just need to hurry up if they want to take it quick.

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    Default Re: Quick restart

    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    . So how long do they have to wait for the other team to dawdle back into position?
    They have to wait for 'as long as' the referee considers that the other team havent commenced time wasting.

    Once the other team go beyond that period, he should sanction for the offence.

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    Default Re: Quick restart

    Quote Originally Posted by Browner View Post
    They have to wait for 'as long as' the referee considers that the other team havent commenced time wasting.
    Why?

    Law 13 is a mess. As I have pointed out before, it carefully distinguishes a kick-off from a restart kick and then almost completely forgets about the restart. In particular the question of when a team can restart, given that the referee does not signal it, is not mentioned.
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    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Why?

    Law 13 is a mess. As I have pointed out before, it carefully distinguishes a kick-off from a restart kick and then almost completely forgets about the restart. In particular the question of when a team can restart, given that the referee does not signal it, is not mentioned.
    Sorry I meant to say " if new ball arrives, and the receiving team start dawdling into position ( knowing their oppo can't koff quickly) in effect running the clock down, then ......as per post #14

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    Default Re: Quick restart

    After a Penalty shot I would disallow it. For a conversion, I would have no issue.
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    Default Re: Quick restart

    Quote Originally Posted by damo View Post
    After a Penalty shot I would disallow it. For a conversion, I would have no issue.
    Reason?
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    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: Quick restart

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Reason?
    Fairly obvious isn't it? At a PK, the whole of the kicking team is going to up near the kicker and chasing the kick in case it misses. For a conversion the whole team minus the kicker should be back on their side of the halfway line and ready. If they aren't ready to go by the time the other team run up for the restart then I have limited sympathy.
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    Default Re: Quick restart

    Quote Originally Posted by damo View Post
    Fairly obvious isn't it? At a PK, the whole of the kicking team is going to up near the kicker and chasing the kick in case it misses. For a conversion the whole team minus the kicker should be back on their side of the halfway line and ready. If they aren't ready to go by the time the other team run up for the restart then I have limited sympathy.
    In both cases the defending side start behind their own goal line. If they can get to halfway quickly, why can't their opponents?

    Your position on the law is that the restart after a PK is formally different from a restart after a conversion. I am not comfortable with that.

    (It is quite common at lower levels for some defending players to stay up near the halfway line during a conversion attempt. If the referee allows that, then I agree he should disallow any attempt to make a quick restart.)
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