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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    Can someone find a room for these 2
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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    Let me ask again, why is there a need for a YC? Because one jumped and the other didn't?

    To my mind the most inconsistent aspect of refereeing is the use/none use of cards. It seems totally arbitrary.

    But then I'm working on a very small set of data.

    Are there any statistics that reflect YCs?

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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    Thanks for trying to regather the discussion Marauder. Interesting watching Mike Brown today and he seems to make a deliberate point of raising his knees when in the air so if he knees someone in the head is it deliberate and a red card?

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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    no, you are repeating a mantra 'we don't judge on intentions' that is manifestly in opposition to the Laws and to reality, where we judge on intention very frequently
    Disagree totally, you cannot referee on intent.

    The laws support actions no intent.

    You an deliberately infringe without intending to.
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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    Quote Originally Posted by andyscott View Post
    Disagree totally, you cannot referee on intent.

    The laws support actions no intent.
    sigh - let's not do that one all over again, my posts are above.

    but in short : the only difference between a knock on (scrum) and a deliberate knock on (PK) is your judgement of the players intent, it's the very substance of the offence. that's just one of example of how the Laws require the referee to judge intent. Some other examples above.

    Quote Originally Posted by andyscott View Post
    You an deliberately infringe without intending to.
    now you are being silly!

    deliberate
    adjective
    1.done consciously and intentionally.
    Last edited by crossref; 17-11-14 at 13:11.

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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    sigh - let's not do that one all over again, my posts are above.

    but in short : the only difference between a knock on (scrum) and a deliberate knock on (PK) is your judgement of the players intent, it's the very substance of the offence. that's just one of example of how the Laws require the referee to judge intent. Some other examples above.



    now you are being silly!
    So you try and catch a ball one handed and knock on, no matter if you intend to, its a PK and my level a YC.

    You collapse a maul by slipping at the back, accidental but a PK non the less, and if close to the line YC, whether you meant it or not.

    Tip tackle red card, whether you meant it or not.
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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    how about this one ....

    and at 7s you would ALWAYS give a PK if the ball comes out the tunnel?

    Variations: Seven-a-side: Law 20: Scrum
    20.8 Front-row players
    A front-row player must not intentionally kick the ball out of the tunnel or out of the scrum in the direction of the opponent’s goal line.
    and what do make of this Law?
    11.6 Accidental offside
    When a player hands the ball to a team-mate in front of the first player, the receiver is offside. Unless the receiver is considered to be intentionally offside (in which case a penalty kick is awarded), the receiver is accidentally offside and a scrum is formed with the opposing team throwing in the ball.
    tip-tackle is different. here the IRB did tell us to ignore intention.

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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    Bong-bing-bong.

    (Tannoy voice) Would all those who want to argue with crossref about refereeing actions/intent or otherwise please form an orderly queue behind andyscott. Thank you!

    Bong-bing-bong.
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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Lifeson-Peart View Post
    Bong-bing-bong.

    (Tannoy voice) Would all those who want to argue with crossref about refereeing actions/intent or otherwise please form an orderly queue behind andyscott. Thank you!

    Bong-bing-bong.
    BRING 'EM ON!

    OK, I'll desist.

    I won't even mention the you must be all giving every time you have a collision with a player that knocks you over...
    For it's a very serious offence indeed to knock the referee down intentionally
    Last edited by crossref; 17-11-14 at 14:11.

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    Default Re: Sale v Leicester Yellow Card?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Lifeson-Peart View Post
    Bong-bing-bong.

    (Tannoy voice) Would all those who want to argue with crossref about refereeing actions/intent or otherwise please form an orderly queue behind andyscott. Thank you!

    Bong-bing-bong.
    How about if we want to argue with andyscott?

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