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    Default Stop for head injury

    80 mins are up, we are in the last play. Red 8 blue 10, red are attacking. Blue player goes down with a suspected head injury that you think could be nasty. You stop play so that he can receive attention.

    Do do you restart the game ?
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    The law says no...........

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    Default Re: Stop for head injury

    up to you.

    Do you need to stop the game, would stopping the game help his head injury, is he in the way? is the physio on etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    The law says no...........
    5.7 Other time regulations
    (a)
    In international matches, play always lasts eighty minutes plus lost time.
    (b)
    In non-international matches a Union may decide the length of a match.
    (c)
    If the Union does not decide, the teams agree on the length of a match. If they cannot agree, the referee decides.
    (d)
    The referee has the power to end the match at any time, if the referee believes that play should not continue because it would be dangerous.
    (e)
    If time expires and the ball is not dead, or an awarded scrum or lineout has not been completed, the referee allows play to continue until the next time that the ball becomes dead. The ball becomes dead when the referee would have awarded a scrum, lineout, an option to the non-infringing team, drop out or after a conversion or successful penalty kick at goal. If a scrum has to be reset, the scrum has not been completed. If time expires and a mark, free kick or penalty kick is then awarded, the referee allows play to continue.
    (f)
    If time expires after a try has been scored the referee allows time for the conversion kick to be taken.
    (g)
    When weather conditions are exceptionally hot and/or humid, the referee, at his discretion, will be permitted to allow one water break in each half. This water break should be no longer than one minute. Time lost should be added on at the end of each half. The water break should normally be taken after a score or when the ball is out of play near the half way line


    I guess you are saying the game ends under (e) because the next step is a scrum.

    but could you argue that the Law refers to 'awarding' a scrum, which implies there has been an infingement, resulting from which the referee awards a scrum.

    in this scenario a there was no infringment, the scrum is just a way to restart.

    A similar scenario would be if time expired and the referee slips on his face and gets mud in his eye. the ref would have to blow the whistle - would that end the game ? it would be a bit unfair on the players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    The law says no...........
    Equity above law.
    We had this discussion after the incident at Bath where the game was incorrectly stopped for a penalty which turned out on review to be a poor call and was therefore "un-awarded". It was agreed that the game should not have ended and a scrum should have been awarded. I would extend that logic to game being stopped for player safety etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyscott View Post
    up to you.

    Do you need to stop the game, would stopping the game help his head injury, is he in the way? is the physio on etc
    You have stopped the game, you have made that decision. The question is do you now restart it.
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    personally
    - if I had stopped the game to ensure player safety I would restart it.

    but it is a slippery slope this equity over Law thing. What about

    - ref falls over and gets mud in his eyes
    - ref gets in the way and it is clearly ref's fault.
    - ref/player collide, just one of those things, no one's fault
    - blue coach comes on field and interferes with play
    - a spectator comes on the field and interferes with play
    - large dog runs on field and chases ball

    do you restart with any of them ?
    Eventually you have to say - it's just luck of the draw, it happened, game over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    personally
    - if I had stopped the game to ensure player safety I would restart it.

    but it is a slippery slope this equity over Law thing. What about

    - ref falls over and gets mud in his eyes
    - ref gets in the way and it is clearly ref's fault.
    - ref/player collide, just one of those things, no one's fault
    - blue coach comes on field and interferes with play
    - a spectator comes on the field and interferes with play
    - large dog runs on field and chases ball

    do you restart with any of them ?
    Eventually you have to say - it's just luck of the draw, it happened, game over.
    I'd restart with a scrum for most (if not all) of those.

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    What sort of dog?

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