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    Default Re: Stop for head injury

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    a pit-bull
    Well if he wants the ball, he can have it. Game over!

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    a pit-bull
    a pit bull is not a big dog!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    a pit-bull
    I don't referee in areas where people have pit bulls. Labradors are acceptable.
    Doucement le matin, pas trop vite le soir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    personally
    - if I had stopped the game to ensure player safety I would restart it.

    but it is a slippery slope this equity over Law thing. What about

    - ref falls over and gets mud in his eyes
    - ref gets in the way and it is clearly ref's fault.
    - ref/player collide, just one of those things, no one's fault
    - blue coach comes on field and interferes with play
    - a spectator comes on the field and interferes with play
    - large dog runs on field and chases ball

    do you restart with any of them ?
    Eventually you have to say - it's just luck of the draw, it happened, game over.
    Game finished. In the big picture it is only a game and it matters not. On the other hand a head injury might matter a very great deal.
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    Default Re: Stop for head injury

    I love the way we get opposite opinions on so many of these threads.
    I guess all we can do is read who says what, and why, and make up our own mind.

    It certainly helps, though, to have thought through a scenario, and variations on it, BEFORE encountering it for the first time on the pitch. I certainly think that if something unusal happened to me after time was up, I'd be more prepared to make a confident decision.

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    Default Re: Stop for head injury

    This is why you never say exactly how long is left. It gives you the option of doing the "right" thing.

    If no-one knows time is up then:
    Serious head injury - waiting for ambulance etc - you can easily say that time is up, so game over, and say sorry to team disadvantage, but point out that safety is the prime concern.

    Not a serious injury (i.e. player jumps straight back up and is obviously okay) - you can go with the scrum. And no-one will complain.

    Where and when you draw the line, that is up to you. But by not committing to the time issue, you get to make the equitable decision, and it is unlikely players will complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlipFlop View Post
    This is why you never say exactly how long is left. It gives you the option of doing the "right" thing.

    If no-one knows time is up then:
    Serious head injury - waiting for ambulance etc - you can easily say that time is up, so game over, and say sorry to team disadvantage, but point out that safety is the prime concern.

    Not a serious injury (i.e. player jumps straight back up and is obviously okay) - you can go with the scrum. And no-one will complain.

    Where and when you draw the line, that is up to you. But by not committing to the time issue, you get to make the equitable decision, and it is unlikely players will complain.
    I see where you're coming from, but I think a team has the right to know if it is, for example, the last play at a PK so they do not kick to touch. If they tap and go, and there is a safety stoppage everyone knows that time has expired.

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    I think if the referee is the sole judge of time then, barring a scoreboard synchronised to the referee's watch, it has to be reasonable for a team to ask how much longer Reasonable is the key though, it's not reasonable to expect a running countdown.

    then if at the last scrum you told them 'about a minute', and since then a good three minutes have passed, it will be obvious to everyone that time has expired, you can't pretend it hasn't.


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    Me : "Ball available, Use It"
    #9 : "has time expired yet, sir?"
    Me : "I'm not checking my watch now!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    ........... it has to be reasonable for a team to ask how much longer......

    Me : "I'm not checking my watch now!"
    doesn't it buzz or vibrate?
    In the time it took you to say that, you could have looked at your watch.

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    Default Re: Stop for head injury

    actually it does vibrate (it hadn't) and I reported it wrong the dialogure went
    - Use It
    - has time expired?
    - no
    - how much longer?
    - I'm not looking at my watch now!

    It was a murky afternoon, the light had all but drained away, when it's like that it takes me more than a glance at my watch, I have to peer
    Anyway, I'm not taking my eyes off the play at such a critical moment...

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