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    Default Gloucester v Bath

    Poor old Greg Garner had a torrid time with the scrum in the West Country derby with no completed scrum for at least the first 60 mins (I've still got 20 to watch). It was interesting that when BT Sport spoke to Yann Thomas, he was talking about "getting a good hit". I also thought it was pretty obvious that Both teams were looking to chase the engagement. Have all the good intentions (and improved reset stats) of last season started to be abandoned? If so, it'll be a real shame.

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    Spent Sunday eve with a Champ/Prem AR and he was saying that refs are trying to keep their % of scrum failures to a min (obviously), but it's not something I've even thought about? He AR'd a Champ game earlier in the month where the ref had 0% completed

    I do think that refs need to improve on their scrum reffin?

    YC's is one route, but I think they need to grow a pair and potentially go un-contested, that might sort the issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBFG View Post
    Spent Sunday eve with a Champ/Prem AR and he was saying that refs are trying to keep their % of scrum failures to a min (obviously), but it's not something I've even thought about? He AR'd a Champ game earlier in the month where the ref had 0% completed

    I do think that refs need to improve on their scrum reffin?
    In the community game , I don't witness a problem, wherever I watch L5-L10

    So do scrummagers simply get progressively worse ( better coached at law bending?)
    or ....
    do referees get progressively less willing to deal with things,

    and if the latter then why are they?

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    Default Re: Gloucester v Bath

    Refs need to go

    PK, PK, Y Card, Y Card, RC from the off, not try and manage it.

    Who comes up with this management nonesense, its not the players or the Elite clubs. The elite part of the game doesnt need a ref trying to do everything to manage (read not be stern enough) a situation.

    We have to stop blaming referees for the scrum, the blame lies with the players, end of.
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    Default Re: Gloucester v Bath

    Quote Originally Posted by andyscott View Post
    Refs need to go

    PK, PK, Y Card, Y Card, RC from the off, not try and manage it.

    Who comes up with this management nonesense, its not the players or the Elite clubs. The elite part of the game doesnt need a ref trying to do everything to manage (read not be stern enough) a situation.

    We have to stop blaming referees for the scrum, the blame lies with the players, end of.
    The problem is discerning the perpetrator. If you get the villain right then your prescription may work. But you won't always get it right and it will encourage players to sell bad calls.

    If instead you went reset, reset, reset until a successful end then the onus is back on the players. Yes, you'd get howls from the crowd and the TV producers but the pressure would then be on the clubs to fix it.
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    Default Re: Gloucester v Bath

    You would not get another game at that level if you did that

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    Default Re: Gloucester v Bath

    I would love to see that! And every early drive, crooked feed, illegal bind just whistled. It would soon stop.

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    Default Re: Gloucester v Bath

    I believe there is a currently a "tell" players to stop acting in a particular way, and now ping without further warning if they continue even if immaterial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesp92 View Post
    I believe there is a currently a "tell" players to stop acting in a particular way, and now ping without further warning if they continue even if immaterial.
    Not sure I get what you're saying.

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    Default Re: Gloucester v Bath

    Let me interject. (If my spelling is wrong im sure umpire will be happy to make a thread of it). It is highly suggested by our coaches that we "manage" a situation.
    Example:
    7 watch your binding in the scrum, it looks to me that you're coming away early". Inevitably there response is, "who me sir"?
    next time it's:
    "7 STAY BOUND"

    further on:
    peeeeeep. "7 I've told you before stay bound".

    Next:
    PEEEEP..... peep peep time off,"Skipper please."

    [insert name] "I've told your 7 to many times now to bind properly. You manage him or you may loose him for ten minutes"

    etc etc

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