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    Default Re: Preventing the QT???

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    So essentially what you are saying is that we have a little game going on.
    If I can get a hand on the ball, you have to release it to me.
    If I don't get a hand on the ball, you don't.
    So we have the ridiculous and inflammatory situation of one player holding the ball at arms length, or moving it behind him, such that the other player can't get a hand on it.
    I don't buy tour argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Fat
    So essentially what you are saying is that we have a little game going on.
    If I can get a hand on the ball, you have to release it to me.
    If I don't get a hand on the ball, you don't.
    So we have the ridiculous and inflammatory situation of one player holding the ball at arms length, or moving it behind him, such that the other player can't get a hand on it.
    I don't buy tour argument.
    What I'm saying is that when Brown got to Huget, Huget released the ball directly straight down. He didn't throw or kick it away or thow it over the fence or toss it to hit another person, he released the ball within approximately 1 - 1.5 seconds.

    If Brown had a hand on the ball, Huget would have had to simply let go of the ball.

    I take the same view of this incident as St Nige took, although my chat on the run would have been worded differently
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    Default Re: Preventing the QT???

    If a player carrying the ball is forced into touch, that player must release the ball to an opposition player so that there can be a quick throw-in.


    Fat is seemingly arguing that that because Huget wasn't held/dragged/pushed/grappled into touch( instead he was shephearded/pressured/chased into touch... Is that forced? Hmnn, it could be interpreted as such )
    that 'forced' hasn't been established and therefore Law doesn't apply.

    IMO that is to microscopic an interpretation, my preference is that players should be discouraged from taking any action that amounts to delaying the opponents from exercising their wish/attempt to continue the game quickly, as that is the sole purpose of a QTI.

    As soon as Huget held the ball behind his back and obstructed Brown from taking it - the offence was committed.

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    What on earth do you think Huget was trying to do? He hides the ball behind his back and then drops it behind him. When Brown tries to go past he pushes him away.

    To me it is blindingly obvious that he was trying to delay Brown getting the ball.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    What on earth do you think Huget was trying to do? He hides the ball behind his back and then drops it behind him. When Brown tries to go past he pushes him away.

    To me it is blindingly obvious that he was trying to delay Brown getting the ball.
    I guess Nigel, his AR, the Fat and I will have to disagree. Live long & prosper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I guess Nigel, his AR, the Fat and I will have to disagree. Live long & prosper.
    Counting heads? Irrelevant.

    Two extremes:
    (1) Immediately after crossing into touch, Huget turns round and politely offers the ball to Brown.
    (2) Once in touch, Huget runs round the pitch saluting the crowd while still carrying the ball.

    Somewhere between the two we have to draw a line. Where do you draw it?
    I don't expect Huget to go out of his way to help, but I do expect him to release the ball once in touch, without being deliberately awkward.
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    Default Re: Preventing the QT???

    Let's amend the topic slightly, OB - if you are assessing and witness that incident ( remember the game score) how do you record it? Critical/incidental ? Law error? To be discussed or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browner View Post
    Let's amend the topic slightly, OB - if you are assessing and witness that incident ( remember the game score) how do you record it? Critical/incidental ? Law error? To be discussed or not?
    Based on how NO handled it?
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    Default Re: Preventing the QT???

    I am with OB. I am not sure what I would have done but it wouldn't have been to ignore the intentional offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browner View Post
    Let's amend the topic slightly, OB - if you are assessing and witness that incident ( remember the game score) how do you record it? Critical/incidental ? Law error? To be discussed or not?
    I don't know what thw guidance is at that oevel, but atr my levels I would expect the referee to penalise it.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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