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    Default Re: Uisng an AR

    Crossref,
    I will send you some AR specific stuff when I get home from work. Probably by PM.
    There are some things being posted here that may make your job harder when being a To3 for the first time.
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    Depends how long to the match. If time go on an AR course. You'll learn what the should do. Even if not, try and find out how experienced they are and what they expect to be doing. Should make your job easier, but probably takes a bit of getting used to. Depends on protocols. But at least you have eyes on the blind side and if comms U can get input on o/s, c&o fsd pass ko etc as well as watching both sides of scrum and a second opinion on straight throw ins. May also help with law if U have a senior moment. Meet them before hand for a chat if U can. Remember jt is a team of 3. Enjoy the experience!

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    Unfortunately crosssref I think you've cast the net too far for advice by asking it here. You'll get 10000 pieces of advice, of which only 3 things you'll probably manage to achieve. No doubt all the advice is sound and useful but you'll simply have too much from here to digest and make use of for your first time. But as it's your first time and you've never been an AR then it will be a challenge for you - one that you should embrace as a learning experience. My bet is that unless you have comms then you'll forget that you even have ARs and theyll both be like a shag on a rock!
    From my experience on both sides..there is only one certainly and that is; as the ref YOU decide what you want from them...whatever that is, and just communicate it to them before the game. If you can do that then you'll have an effective team of 3.
    (And just hope like hell you don't get an AR that thinks they are the referee!)
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    Default Re: Uisng an AR

    don't try and referee any different than normal, if you think "oh I can just ref 15 to 15 cus the guys can look after that bit", things will go tits up for you!

    Ref like you normally do but get them to watch for stuff behind your back (handbags, late hits etc) the stuff you'll miss on any normal Saturday when on your own.

    Other than that the bits above about marking 10/5 etc goes with out saying (make sure they work together when they do that though!) and make it clear to them what you want called in, COE is mantra for the day

    At the PMB it might also be worth the AR's looking for the wingers to have a quick word in that they will communicate with them about setting the 5/10m gaps as it's easier for the AR to speak to a winger than trying to get to the FH who could be 50m away.
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    Crossref, working with ARs is a skill that (like any other) takes time to develop. As a committed and capable solo flyer, you will find that your ingrained habits will not easily succumb to whatever you tell the To3 in the changing room. Equally, you need to ensure that your control of the game does not get watered down rather than enhanced by the extra vigilance. Accordingly, I'd keep it incredibly simple:

    1) Be the TJ first and foremost.
    2) Flag in any acts of Law 10 foul play, and (if PK against the side in possession) call my attention to your flag over the comms - pretty much the only use of comms required.
    3) If we have handbags, be alert to players running in from a distance, and take their numbers so I can card them.
    4) Do and say nothing that undermines my control of the game.

    Good luck - and well done for getting a game of sufficient standing to warrant a To3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    theyll both be like a shag on a rock!
    Are you saying that they'll feel like a cormorant, or that they'll scuff their knees and graze their goolies?

    I must say, unlikely though the latter sounds, I'm not sure the former is any more certain!
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    Best AR briefing ever heard (and it is on camera somewhere in the London Archives - it was the film I saw)
    Along the lines of:
    Ref to ARS: "First responsibility is touch, second is touch in goal, third is kicks at goal, fourth is foul play, finally the most important point is - don't make me look like a C@nt"
    I still use a version of this - and it works well. If you don't have comms, it is about all you can prepare for, after that, it depends on how experienced and, importantly, how much you trust them. You carry the can ultimately, so if you don't know them, or don't trust them, then you need to assume they are not much better than club TJs. You can always relax this and trust them more as you gain more faith in them, but very hard to go the other way......

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    Default Re: Uisng an AR

    Main point of the AR is to take heat off bad decisions you make - "that was the touchy's call, mate"

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    Crossref,
    sent you a PM
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    Default Re: Uisng an AR

    thanks everyone - lots of useful suggestions. I'll report back later this monht after the game

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