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    Default Choke hold - what is being done?

    It seems as if the choke hold isn't a much penalised area of rugby. In virtually every game players hold opponents round the neck in rucks and mauls without penalty and when they do get penalised punishment is relatively light. Only if the victim gets injured does anyone look at the incident more closely.

    Alan O’Connor Choking Mark Bennett unconscious - 3 week ban

    Liam Messam choke Renaldo Bothma - Cited but no sanction

    But more often than not they players come off without even a penalty

    Wyatt Crockett on Warren Whiteley
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    Little is being done at the elite level.

    Of course there is "confusion" between a "Choke" tackle (sic) and a "Choke" hold. The former, in its true form, is an attempt to choke possession by smothering the ball and preventing a tackle from occuring thus creating a maul and potential turnover. The latter is a deliberate hold around the neck (it can and usually does come from an initial attempt to choke possession and hold the player up so not to have a tackle). It's foul play, simple as.

    The former is legitimate, the latter illegal. We need to treat the two differently.

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    Default Re: Choke hold - what is being done?

    indeed.

    There is nothing illegal about chokcing off the ball per se.

    There are already laws dealing with foul play, of which potentially choking off an air/blood supply is one.

    If elite refs see fit not to penalise it - you'd have to ask them/World Rugby.

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    I have zero tolerance to any 'neck choker'

    On feet Neck/throat mauling always gets a PK and mostly a loud and C&O to everyone 'zero tolerance' reprimand, anyone who is forcibly pulling another players neck in a different direction to his spine can expect YC - its damn dangerous

    I havent yet seen one in my matches but when i do see one of these MMA airway chokings in my match then the player will get a RC without exception , im now actually considering including "keep off the neck/head" in my PMB.

    Im disgusted at reading only 3 weeks for (Alan OConnor) for making a player unconscious through deliberate airway strangulation quite frankly the discipline guys are culpable towards the ultimate tragedy that this practice ends at.

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    Another disgusting example. Very disappointed in WB, He must be acting under some 'Elite excuse it' protocol !!!!

    http://www.rugbydump.com/2015/04/424...ss#allcomments

    WAKE UP post match citing people, the game needs you to remind ALL players that this is Ferking dangerous. This high profile case demands such action.

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    You would have to be disappointed with the AR (NO?) not flagging it.

    But I agree with your premise - too dangerous in the Community game.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Choke hold - what is being done?

    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    You would have to be disappointed with the AR (NO?) not flagging it.
    It could have been Nigel Owens who radioed it in for all we know.

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    Nige is saying something. But we do not know what.

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    Default Re: Choke hold - what is being done?

    IMO, this all started when the elite game began allowing arriving players at the tackle to saddle roll their opponent to the side, which is, AFAIC collapsing the ruck.

    This was the proverbial "thin end of the wedge"; its a very short stride from a player grasping a crouched opponent under the armpits to grasping them over the arms (around the neck). Once this was deemed allowable, another short step gets you to allowing players to hold the opposing ball carrier around the neck to prevent him getting to ground.

    Its another example of Merton's Law in play.

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    Default Re: Choke hold - what is being done?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    IMO, this all started when the elite game began allowing arriving players at the tackle to saddle roll their opponent to the side, which is, AFAIC collapsing the ruck.

    This was the proverbial "thin end of the wedge"; its a very short stride from a player grasping a crouched opponent under the armpits to grasping them over the arms (around the neck). Once this was deemed allowable, another short step gets you to allowing players to hold the opposing ball carrier around the neck to prevent him getting to ground..
    I dionl;t disagree but IMO it goes back further that that, to a time when the PTB deemed it acceptable to seal off. creating a situation where defenders have no way to now "CONTEST POSESSION" (principole of play)

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