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    Default Sharks vs Crusaders - 3 yellows and a red

    3 yellows reduced the Crusaders to 12 men on the park, then Jean Deysel (Sharks) decided a knee to the head was a good idea.

    The third yellow card (cynical play near own tryline) is causing some debate

    https://youtu.be/qF4eCM79KsA

    1st (no arms) at 3:48
    2nd (no arms) at 4:40
    3rd (kicking ball away) at 5:32
    RC (knee to head) at 6:40

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    Default Re: Sharks vs Crusaders - 3 yellows and a red

    It's a marginal one. Since Nadolo had the ball so far away from the mark there was never going to be a quick tap, so you could argue that the kick was immaterial. Still, if you kick the ball away like that so close to the line you are playing with fire.
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    While SB spoke to all players in a professional manner I found it "grating" that he semi apologized to the offenders particularly the RC offender for taking the action he did
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    Quote Originally Posted by damo View Post
    It's a marginal one. Since Nadolo had the ball so far away from the mark there was never going to be a quick tap, so you could argue that the kick was immaterial. Still, if you kick the ball away like that so close to the line you are playing with fire.
    You see this quite often. Player gets a good break and ref brings it back. Ball kicked in frustration. YC a bit harsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixpat View Post
    While SB spoke to all players in a professional manner I found it "grating" that he semi apologized to the offenders particularly the RC offender for taking the action he did
    I agree. I see this happening a bit. Matt O'Brien used something like "you've taken this decision out of my hands" as he's RC'd James Horwill on Friday night. Sends an odd message.
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    Default Re: Sharks vs Crusaders - 3 yellows and a red

    First two cards spot on as with the red. The Third yellow was poor for me. Pedantic reffing at its worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    The Third yellow was poor for me. Pedantic reffing at its worst.
    The dilemma for the ref is that he wants to penalise the action but has no other option than a card. He can't march Red 10 metres as the original penalty is already on the 5 metre line.
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    Default Re : Re: Sharks vs Crusaders - 3 yellows and a red

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I agree. I see this happening a bit. Matt O'Brien used something like "you've taken this decision out of my hands" as he's RC'd James Horwill on Friday night. Sends an odd message.
    A lot of Americans like to talk in terms like "Player X has disqualified himself". The idea is that you change the emphasis away from "I am responsible for sending this player off" and onto "This player's actions mean he can't play any more and I am just confirming that", which is much less confrontational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    The dilemma for the ref is that he wants to penalise the action but has no other option than a card. He can't march Red 10 metres as the original penalty is already on the 5 metre line.
    The other point is that he yells "angle" as R12 (who, by the way, put in a nasty high tackle to bring the white player down) gets his hands on the ball, and indicates advantage; so both sides know a white PK is coming. R12 then knocks it on 5m, scrambles to recover it, and passes it to R11 before R11 kicks the ball away. YC'ing both red players involved might be a bit much; but perhaps R12 should have got it, for determined offending (high tackle, in at the side, knock on, picking up after the knock-on, all within 5 seconds).

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    Default Re: Sharks vs Crusaders - 3 yellows and a red

    Quote Originally Posted by RobLev View Post
    The other point is that he yells "angle" as R12 (who, by the way, put in a nasty high tackle to bring the white player down) gets his hands on the ball, and indicates advantage; so both sides know a white PK is coming. R12 then knocks it on 5m, scrambles to recover it, and passes it to R11 before R11 kicks the ball away. YC'ing both red players involved might be a bit much; but perhaps R12 should have got it, for determined offending (high tackle, in at the side, knock on, picking up after the knock-on, all within 5 seconds).
    Agree that some of the actions you mention will stop the Sharks from taking the PK quickly. I will have to go back and look at the video again to see if R12 deserves a YC for dangerous or cynical infringements before R11 hoofs the ball away. However, the highlighted bit in red does not constitute an infringement in itself. There is no law that prohibits a player who has lost the ball forward, or an onside team mate, from picking it up or falling on it.
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