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    Default Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Lifeson-Peart View Post
    The last quote I saw about "bring back proper rucking" was from Jonathan Davies (Jiffy - not the current model) who tends to talk a load of old bollocks in two languages about both codes. I think it was his suggestion for improving the game in a bbc website piece that I can't seem to find. It was discussed on here.
    You can get owt for nowt ....... Try this,
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31641675

    Yep, old bollocks indeed
    Last edited by Browner; 23-04-15 at 18:04.

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    Default Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Browner View Post
    You can get owt for nowt ....... Try this,
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31641675

    Yep, old bollocks indeed
    Cheers Mr B?

    I think it ironic that the photo used to illustrate old fashioned rucking shows Jones and Fitzpatrick on the floor, two other ABs about to hit the deck and only Drake and Shelford? bound and on their feet. Add to all that mess the French aren't competing.

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose as Laurent Rodriguez would say.
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    Default Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    Found this thread after reading this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...e-illegal.html If from 2010 but Brian Moore tweeted a comment and link to the article yesterday morning.

    Can anyone (OB) provide a copy of the ruck law before 1996 (as per OB's post above) and the wording from 1996 I can't find the old law books.

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    Default Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    1996 Law 21 note (ii)
    Players' safety is of primary importance and players should ruck for the ball and not the players on the ground. Players rucking for the ball should attempt to step over other players lying on the ground and should not intentionally step on them. Players must ruck in close proximity to the ball.


    This was later incorporated into the laws.

    Prior to 1996, referees relied on Law 26 Foul Play.
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    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    Proper rucking became unacceptable when the rugby powers caved in to big business and allowed all sorts of dangerous studs and cleats on the pitch!
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    Default Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    Nigel Owens , in Brian Moore's podcast, said that the Law still allows proper rucking .. but teams don't do it

    Players may play the ball with their feet, provided they do so in a safe manner.
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    Default Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Nigel Owens , in Brian Moore's podcast, said that the Law still allows proper rucking .. but teams don't do it

    Players may play the ball with their feet, provided they do so in a safe manner.
    To people like Brian Moore, "proper rucking" means rucking players.
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    Default Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    1996 Law 21 note (ii)
    Players' safety is of primary importance and players should ruck for the ball and not the players on the ground. Players rucking for the ball should attempt to step over other players lying on the ground and should not intentionally step on them. Players must ruck in close proximity to the ball.


    This was later incorporated into the laws.

    Prior to 1996, referees relied on Law 26 Foul Play.
    Thanks OB can you quote Law 26 for me. I'd particlarly like to see what it said before 1986 to see exactly what the law was in Briand's playing days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Thanks OB can you quote Law 26 for me. I'd particlarly like to see what it said before 1986 to see exactly what the law was in Briand's playing days.
    In 1985 Law 26 is 12 pages long and covers many different scenarios.

    The relevant bit is:
    Misconduct, Dangerous Play
    (3) It is illegal for any player:-
    (a) to strike an opponent;
    (b) wilfully or recklessly to hack or kick an opponent, or trip him with the foot, or to trample on an opponent lying on the ground;
    [...]
    Note (vi)
    A player shall not "take the law into his own hands" nor wilfully do anything that is dangerous to an opponent even if the latter is infringing the Laws.
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    Default Re: "Bring back propper Rucking!"

    Interesting
    Is there any significant difference between the 1985 Law and the current Law ? Or is it all a matter of interpretation?

    (WRT to rucking , I mean , of course)

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