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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E:301002
    What would yo do in this situation:

    Blue kicks off and ball rolls into Red in-goal. Red player stops the ball with his foot. Another Red player, coming from an onside position, dives on and grounds the ball.

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    I agree, because "If they opt to ground the ball or make it dead, they must do so without delay. Any other
    action with the ball by a defending player means the player has elected to play on
    ."

    By stopping the ball with his foot, he has done an action other than grounding the ball.

    (I think I know what the counter to that might be, but I'm going to keep my powder dry for now)
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    ... and if, instead, the first player to the ball simply picks it up and dabs it down?

    ... or stops the ball with his foot and reaches down and grounds it?

    C'mon, please, scrum center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder View Post
    ... and if, instead, the first player to the ball simply picks it up and dabs it down?

    ... or stops the ball with his foot and reaches down and grounds it?

    C'mon, please, scrum center.
    For me 1 is making the ball dead without delay, so that is OK, and scrum of kick option remains. Similarly I would allow a stop with a foot and then bend down to ground it to mean that the options are on, but I think I would draw the line at another player actually grounding it. I would also allow eg a catcher of the ball to be told to ground it the time to follow the instruction and not consider that a delay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder:301007
    ... and if, instead, the first player to the ball simply picks it up and dabs it down?

    ... or stops the ball with his foot and reaches down and grounds it?

    C'mon, please, scrum center.
    For those two examples I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder View Post
    ... and now we start a discussion as to the difference between "immediately" and "without delay".
    I don't. I go back to my view that we cannot forensically dissect the words. Since WR did not bother to define a distinction, I think it best not to infer one. We have no basis for doing so.

    I think there is a moment when the player picks up the ball instead of grounding it that a call of "Ground it or play on" is appropriate.
    Not my view.

    If the law said "immediately" then I would say that you are correct and I would expect the receiving player to simply ground it and for him to pick it up he has "played on".
    I think that is a common view. "There is no point in picking the ball up if you want the option, so don't do it" is what I was always told. You certainly don't want to risk a knock-on.

    Of course if it bounces up you may have to catch it. Option if you ground it immediately without looking up.
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    The requirement to act "without delay" was, to my mind, included in the laws to prevent some smart ass from waltzing around in goal with the ball in hand until threatened by an opponent then grounding the ball and claiming the scrum center.

    No need to be a pedant.

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    If the player passes or runs / walks with the ball then "without delay" has gone If he stands still he might get a more "lenient" interpretation.

    If a second player touches down? I doubt that is immediate.

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    Pegleg, the law doesn't require 'immediate', just 'without delay'.

    Now, OB doesn't see a difference but I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder View Post
    Pegleg, the law doesn't require 'immediate', just 'without delay'.

    Now, OB doesn't see a difference but I do.
    Why? It just complicates matters, particularly since AFAIK there is no general agreement on what the difference might be.

    Maybe you have in mind a difference that you think is a good idea, but unless referees both know and agree, I don't see that it helps.
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