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    I note that Aus are only bringing two hookers to the RWC.

    The night before a game, Moore doesnt see one of the scrim halves picking up a sausage off the ground in his rush to the buffet and trips over him and breaks his hand.

    The following day they have to reserve hooker. Are they then limited to 18 players (19 including the reserve prop) ?

    Would they be allowed to list Moore as a sub despite the fact that he would be unable to fulfil the requirement of being able to replace an injured/suspended hooker ?
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    that's a heck of a gamble... from memory, the fact that Dylan Hartley's latest ban covered the first game was the stated reason that he was cut from England's squad as by including him would have risked the above scenario. of course that may have only been the official reason.

    i don't know the precise regulation, but can probably have a guess that it's similar to the scenario you describe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelflife View Post
    I note that Aus are only bringing two hookers to the RWC.

    The night before a game, Moore doesnt see one of the scrim halves picking up a sausage off the ground in his rush to the buffet and trips over him and breaks his hand.

    The following day they have to reserve hooker. Are they then limited to 18 players (19 including the reserve prop) ?

    Would they be allowed to list Moore as a sub despite the fact that he would be unable to fulfil the requirement of being able to replace an injured/suspended hooker ?
    How do you arrive at the 18/19 players figure?
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    Australia have chosen 17 forwards and 14 backs, in their 31 squad.
    Both England and Wales look like opting for the same 17/14 split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    How do you arrive at the 18/19 players figure?
    Law 3.5 a if you nominate 19-22 players you must have 5 players who are suitably trained, where a prop and hooker can be replaced at first instance.

    So if Aus only have 1 fit hooker they can't meet this criteria so therefore can only have max 18 players (19 with the extra prop replacement)
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    Ian - if Aus can't name a reserve hooker, they fail to meet the requirement to have available a spare LH, TH and hooker at the first injury requirement.

    So what happens? They name 22 on the team sheet, and if it goes uncontested due to hooker, what do the RWC regs say?

    It means even a minor injury (or red card?) to a hooker means they need to replace that player in the squad. So what happens if a hooker is RC'ed. Are they allowed to replace them in the squad - I expect not. So how do they then meet the 2 hookers in match day squad? Someone else needs to get "injured" in training and be replaced?

    To me it is a huge risk, to only take the minimum in any FR position.

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    Perhaps one of the props will be listed as also able to provide cover at hooker
    Surely any tight head prop could safely play hooker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelflife View Post
    Law 3.5 a if you nominate 19-22 players you must have 5 players who are suitably trained, where a prop and hooker can be replaced at first instance.

    So if Aus only have 1 fit hooker they can't meet this criteria so therefore can only have max 18 players (19 with the extra prop replacement)
    In international rugby its 23 players which requires six front row row players. I still don't see how the 23 who would normally be named become 18. They would surely just name an extra THP to cover the hooker position. Law 3.5 doesn't specify that one of the replacement FR players has to be a hooker only that he must be STE, and the recent Clarification (15-2015) only says the props have to be specified as to which side they cover or whether the cover both. No specific mention of the hooker.

    In order to facilitate this process and apply Law 3.5(g) then teams should declare prior to the match (on the competition team sheet) exactly which front row positions that players are suitably trained and experienced to play in. These players can be nominated to play in more than one front row position.



    In Australia's case, Toby Smith played hooker for both the Chiefs and Waikato in 2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlipFlop View Post
    ... It means even a minor injury (or red card?) to a hooker means they need to replace that player in the squad. So what happens if a hooker is RC'ed. Are they allowed to replace them in the squad - I expect not.
    Why can't they add to the squad if needed?

    Wasn't the All Black No 10 in the last RWC their 4th choice? From memory he wasn't in the squad and was fishing when the call went out that the 3rd choice No 10 was injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Why can't they add to the squad if needed?

    Wasn't the All Black No 10 in the last RWC their 4th choice? From memory he wasn't in the squad and was fishing when the call went out that the 3rd choice No 10 was injured.

    Two things with that

    1. a 5/8 doesn't need to be STE; its not compulsory to have a 5/8 on the reserves bench

    2. a team cannot replace a permanently injured player in their 31 strong RWC squad for 48 hours.



    If Shelflife's scenario happens...

    "The night before a game, Moore doesn't see one of the scrum halves picking up a sausage off the ground in his rush to the buffet and trips over him and breaks his hand."

    then they will have no hooker replacement for that match unless there is a prop who is STE for hooker.

    Were that top happen to say, Will Genia, then no problem because they would name Phipps as SH and anyone (though probably Giteau) as reserve SH.
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