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    Default Tap penalty to a runner clarifcation

    U16s in England - my understanding its full rules if not specifically stated otherwise in the RFU youth regs for that age group.

    Tap penalty to a runner.

    can I clarify that a tap penalty, as the tap is made all players must be stationary - you cannot have a runner approaching at pace to whom a tap and pass is made?

    But you can tap and pass (possibly to a stationary player who can then pass) to a player who started his run as the initial tap was made?

    In the interests of avoiding pedantry, lets please for debate's sake ignore the usual caveats about safety yadda yadda yadda specifically - its taken as read that everything needs to be "safe" and i'm merely seeking clarification that my understanding is correct.

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    PS Robbie - I was forced to choose a prefix but none of them fitted what I really wanted - I could choose junior as this is ultimately will be for an U16 side, but its not really a junior question, but a generic question about the laws at all levels. Maybe you need another prefix [FKs+PKs] ?
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    Default Re: Tap penalty to a runner clarifcation

    Smells like a cavalry charge to me which is forbidden at all levels:

    'Cavalry Charge’. The type of attack known as as a 'Cavalry Charge' usually happens near the goal line, when the attacking team is awarded a penalty kick or free kick. Either a single player stands some distance behind the kicker, or attacking players form a line across the field some distance behind the kicker.
    These attacking players are usually a metre or two apart. At a signal from the kicker, they charge forward. When they get near, the kicker tap-kicks the ball and passes to a player who had started some distance behind the kicker.

    Sanction: Penalty kick at the place of infringement


    Let me guess: the 15 year old receiver of the ball is built like Herman Munster.
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    Default Re: Tap penalty to a runner clarifcation

    I agree with Dickie.
    Cavalry charge as described. Banned no mater what the age group, including adults.

    U16s use adult laws with U16 variations. A tap penalty at U16 is no different to adults.

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    Default Re: Tap penalty to a runner clarifcation

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    But you can tap and pass (possibly to a stationary player who can then pass) to a player who started his run as the initial tap was made?
    not sure i agree with the previous responses...

    in the original scenario, all players were still when the kick was taken. effectively it's a pop pass to a player running at pace, it just happens to be the second pass from a PK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Let me guess: the 15 year old receiver of the ball is built like Herman Munster.
    More like Israel Dagg!

    I've been tasked with provising some tap penalty moves (because the line out is so pants). They already have "give it to the big bloke". I have some variations from a million years ago when i played but they all really only "work" because players are already moving. I was just checking that my understanding was correct - that yes, it is a cavalry charge.

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    Default Re: Tap penalty to a runner clarifcation

    Right... so

    1) all players still
    2) PK is tapped
    3) players start to move
    4) runner receives pass from tapper

    Is fine?

    And

    1) all players still
    2) PK is tapped
    3) players start to move
    4) tapper passes to static player.
    5) static player passes to runner

    Is also fine? (3 and 4 interchangeable?)

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    which has reminded me...

    the 1970s Australian star burst move is now outlawed as-a-concept if not in actual law - correct? (without the ball up the jumper bit!)

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    Default Re: Tap penalty to a runner clarifcation

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Right... so

    1) all players still
    2) PK is tapped
    3) players start to move
    4) runner receives pass from tapper

    Is fine?

    And

    1) all players still
    2) PK is tapped
    3) players start to move
    4) tapper passes to static player.
    5) static player passes to runner

    Is also fine? (3 and 4 interchangeable?)

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    Yes.

    It's the running BEFORE the ball is tapped that might constitute a cavalry charge.

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    A cavalry charge is banned
    But there is nothing in the law to say people have to be stationary, whether the receiver or anyone else.
    What is illegal is *charging* not moving

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    Default Re: Tap penalty to a runner clarifcation

    Ok... so what is "charging" ?

    * running full pelt, screaming?
    * running full pelt
    * running hard
    * running 3/4s pace
    * jogging
    * walking

    ??

    This isn't a dig at CRs point, but if the nuance is "charging" then - at the risk of minutiae like queries - what does "charging" actually mean?

    I suspect of course that understandably you'll all have different opinions

    And it is relevant because - akin to outfielders in cricket - a player on the move finds it easier to accelerate.

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