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    Default Re: Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

    If there is injury time off does the sin-bin time clock stop also?

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    Default Re: Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder View Post
    If there is injury time off does the sin-bin time clock stop also?
    Yes. It's 10 minutes "playing time"

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    Default Re: Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder View Post
    If there is injury time off does the sin-bin time clock stop also?
    yes

    10.5 Sanctions
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    Any player who infringes any part of the Foul Play Law must be admonished, or cautioned and temporarily suspended for a period of ten minutes’ playing time, or sent-off.

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    Default Re: Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Haldfway through what? A scrum is a different phase because different laws apply.

    Time has not expired but the 10 minutes YC playing time has. The laws do not cover the situation, so the referee has to make a decision.

    However this is going to be pretty rare, so I doubt if most refs will ever have thought about it in advance.
    Last play.

    Just because there is a PK and a team has opted for a scrum doesn't change the fact that it is still "last play" and the binned player has no right to take part as he was in the bin when "last play" commenced.

    I'm surprised how sympathetic some are to binned players. They should not transgress the laws of the game if they don't want to be off the park.

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    Default Re: Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
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    However this is going to be pretty rare, so I doubt if most refs will ever have thought about it in advance.
    I don't think he needs to, he just does the same as he would at any time in the game.
    If it's a suitable break then the player can come back on, if it isn't he can't

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    Default Re: Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigClothesSir View Post
    Last play.

    Just because there is a PK and a team has opted for a scrum doesn't change the fact that it is still "last play" and the binned player has no right to take part as he was in the bin when "last play" commenced.
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    what's the Law you are relying on here?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigClothesSir View Post
    I'm surprised how sympathetic some are to binned players. They should not transgress the laws of the game if they don't want to be off the park.
    I have no sympathy - but once they have done ten mins they get to come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I don't think he needs to, he just does the same as he would at any time in the game.
    If it's a suitable break then the player can come back on, if it isn't he can't
    No, he flipping can't!!!

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    Default Re: Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

    the absurdio thing ...

    if a game managed to play 20 minutes "extra" because of a mixture of poor ability to break the defense, brilliant defence and an occassional PK award and ended up beong won after 20 minutes of extra time by the team without the man in the biin, do you really think it totally "fair" that the team with the man in the bin in effect had him binned for 29 minutes?

    I am swayed by both arguments, but its this aspect that makes me very uncomfortable.

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    Default Re: Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigClothesSir View Post
    If he goes in the 71st minute I don't care what happens after that. There are only 9 minutes of playing-time remaining and therefore he cannot possibly come back, no matter what the circumstances.
    That is an incorrect statement. There have been many instances of play carrying on well past 80 minutes.

    If the 10 minutes playing time for the YC expires during those extra minutes you are asserting that there cannot be a suitable break in play for a return.

    That is your view, but I see nothing in the laws that says yea or nay.

    Ia a team opts for a scrum from a penalty award during normal play, would you refuse to allow a time-expired YC player to come back on for that scrum? It seems to be allowed without anybody raising questions.
    Quote Originally Posted by BigClothesSir View Post
    Last play.

    Just because there is a PK and a team has opted for a scrum doesn't change the fact that it is still "last play" and the binned player has no right to take part as he was in the bin when "last play" commenced.
    There is no such thing as "last play" because a further PK might be awarded.
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    Default Re: Can a player return from a Yellow Card when the clock is beyond 80 minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigClothesSir View Post
    No, he flipping can't!!!
    Oh yes he can!

    but seriously - 10.5(a) says it's ten minutes playing time. What Law are you relying on to keep him off the field after that? (once a suitable break in play comes along, obviously)

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