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    Default Flag up, ball not in touch

    I made a mistake as a TJ yesterday. The side in possession had managed to keep the ball in play (90%+ likely they did, and I'm not interested in the <10% chance I was right after all) and raised my flag too soon.

    Ref whistled immediately, presumably expecting the ball carrier to be jostled into touch much as I too had.

    I recommended a scrum restart for the attacking side (BC was in oppo half, so no chance for confusion) to the (relatively inexperienced) ref, and there were no complaints.

    There was no maul; the ball-carrier had what looked like a smother-tackler assisted by another defender.

    The question: what would be correct decision if an AR makes the same error, and the (experienced) referee also whistles quickly?

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    Default Re: Flag up, ball not in touch

    For me, once flag is up its a lineout.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Isn't this a stoppage for an irregularity not covered by laws?
    So I'd give scrum to team in possession

    And a jug from the idiot touch judge

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    Well done for admitting you made a mistake and well done to the teams for accepting it.
    Definitely in most clubs you'd be dick of the day and in the post match drink off.
    Scrum attacking seems the right call to me
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    Default Re: Flag up, ball not in touch

    (d) Scrum after any other stoppage. After any other stoppage or irregularity not covered by Law, the team that was moving forward before the stoppage throws in the ball. If neither team was moving forward, the attacking team throws in the ball.

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    Default Re: Flag up, ball not in touch

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    (d) Scrum after any other stoppage. After any other stoppage or irregularity not covered by Law, the team that was moving forward before the stoppage throws in the ball. If neither team was moving forward, the attacking team throws in the ball.
    Thanks for helping me find 20.4 (d).

    I'll be buying the ref a drink

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    Ouch. Feel for you Rushforth. The first ever match I waved a flag for I made a right horlicks of it straight from the kick off.

    I think its that funny feeling of many minutes of zero activity and then all of a sudden things burst into life on your line. Arghghgh!

    Well done one for fessing up! Don't let it put you off.

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    Default Re: Flag up, ball not in touch

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Isn't this a stoppage for an irregularity not covered by laws? So I'd give scrum to team in possession.
    +1. You can't very well give a LO if the ball wasn't it touch, but from my limited experience if you admit a mistake and explain the logic behind the restart, teams are very forgiving. Eg "Sorry boys. The touch judge reckons he boobed. Scrum down - attacking team ball".

    Quote Originally Posted by Rushforth View Post
    Thanks for helping me find 20.4 (d).
    Never ever forget 20.4(d) it will get you out of the poop more often than you want to admit to.

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    To be quite frank, if no one would realise, I wouldn't go admitting to that mistake. If they would, scrum moving forward.

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    If you watch the Canada vs Italy WRC match, you still have a lineout and Italy gets the ball.

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