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    Default Re: Flag up, ball not in touch

    Generally I find club TJs OK, if a little useless at times. I try and remember to say to them (especially if they are the subs in youth games) "Just stick your flag up when and where the ball crosses the line and if you can see if the ball bounces (from kicks) in the field or on or beyond the line, then that would be great." And, to be honest, the latter piece is a bonus that I try not to have to rely upon.

    I once watched a ref in a crucial youth game ask the club coaches to "help" spot offences and bring them to his attention - complete disaster that he abandoned in the second half.

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    I still don't getvhow the UK have such an issue in getting ar's at games when here as a very minor sport we manage. Pretty simple. No qualified ar you get docked points and potentially fined. Problem sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    I still don't getvhow the UK have such an issue in getting ar's at games when here as a very minor sport we manage. Pretty simple. No qualified ar you get docked points and potentially fined. Problem sorted.
    but that's still a club-appointed 'AR' right ? In England that's what we mean by a club TJ.
    I don't think there is any issue getting those in club 1st XV games, but at 3rds and 4ths, there can be, especially from the away club who might turn up with 15 players and no coach, let alone a TJ.

    In my games it's very rare for me to actually be without TJs -- one way or another I find volunteers (if the away team really don't have anyone, the home club will generally do both touchlines) but the TJs are usually the subs, or the coach, or the player with an injury who has turned up to watch. That sort of thing.



    When we talk about having ARs, in England we are talking about the Society sending a team of three officials, which is only done for high levels, or for important games, like Cup Finals.
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    Default Re: Flag up, ball not in touch

    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    I still don't getvhow the UK have such an issue in getting ar's at games when here as a very minor sport we manage. Pretty simple. No qualified ar you get docked points and potentially fined. Problem sorted.
    You guys do the upward roll, though, don't you? Start matches at 10, and the referees from the earlier matches turn to AR duty.

    In the UK, last time I looked, adults all kicked off at the same time on Saturday. Kids and Ladies on a Sunday. The Aus model doesn't work
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    You guys do the upward roll, though, don't you? Start matches at 10, and the referees from the earlier matches turn to AR duty.

    In the UK, last time I looked, adults all kicked off at the same time on Saturday. Kids and Ladies on a Sunday. The Aus model doesn't work
    yes, plus 1st / 2nd / 3rd / 4th might all be playing at different locations. Obviously on average half at home, half away, but it's not synced - each team is in a different competition of league, and one week everyone might be at home, the next week only one team, or none

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    Default Re: Flag up, ball not in touch

    Also I am not sure how Australia mange travel.

    In the UK matches were Saturday afternoons, because people worked Saturday morning - though that has not been universal for a generation at least.

    Without lights it is hard to kick off much after 2pm in December or January. You might fit games in at 10 and 12 but the last one risks getting a pitch so cut up as to be unplayable.

    So everyone traditionally plays on separate pitches and finishes at the same time so they can meet up in the bar.

    But as crossref says we do not have coordinated fixtures for the different sides in a club so they can be heading to the four winds.

    Where two teams happen to go to the same club, they may want to share a coach (bus not trainer) and that means they do not want to hang around for hours before or after their games - so prefer the kick off at roughly the same time, perhaps with a small stagger to reduce pressure on the showers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    so prefer the kick off at roughly the same time, perhaps with a small stagger to reduce pressure on the showers.
    Surely staggering would increase the shower pressure

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    Interesting debate

    Dutch clubs only rarely have two full pitches available to them; those that do tend to have 1st XVs in the premier division, and even then struggle for capacity. Similarly, trained 'ARs' are only enforced at premier division level (100 euro fine for not providing, mind!) although I've done the course myself without being from such a club.

    Sunday (senior) KO's are almost always 14:30 for team with highest priority, preceded by 13:00 for 2nd XV if both at home. All clubs have decent floodlights for training purposes which can be used for 16:00 KO, but 11:30 tends to be preferred for 3rd XV unless it would be uncomfortable for opponents.

    The worst AR I had began with "I'm a referee myself" before the match, so I gave him a nice leading/trailing/triangulation briefing, but he only complained about home 6, 8, whatever whilst the side he was with weren't wearing numbers.

    Far more often do I brief a TJ to stand "behind his post" for conversions beforehand and have to tell them "in line with the ball" (as opposed to parallel to touch, on the DBL). At least it separates chaff....

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I once had an idiot TJ who put his flag up to signal a try (in the corner).

    Obviously I awarded a line out.
    TJ said 'No, he wasn't in touch! it was a try!'
    'but you put your flag up?'
    'sorry'

    I gave the try.
    I've had that. He used to lurk on here but doesn't now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post

    Does football use potentially partisan team members to run the lines?



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    My mate referees football. They gave up having "team reps" running the line years ago as they couldn't rely on them not cheating. They run the line at the left back and just flagged their opponents offside at every through ball.

    He even had one try flagging for offside from a corner!!

    All that leaves is fair but sometimes piss poor decisions but hey they get the officiating they deserve.
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