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    Default Penalty advantage "claimed"

    Penalty advantage to attacking team being played at ruck, scrum half wants the penalty (in front of posts) so picks up ball and deliberately knocks on / dabs ball to ground

    sure this hasn't been permitted for sometime / is not in the spirit of the game....(deliberate knock on? Penalty against?)

    Can penalty be "claimed", if so how, or should attackers try to play rugby until ref calls it?

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    Default Re: Penalty advantage "claimed"

    I can't say I like it but what alternatives do you see. As long as you don't allow the "deleberated knock on" to be followed by a quickly taken tap and go (which is the bit that is not allowed) I have no real problem.

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    Default Re: Penalty advantage "claimed"

    In another thread it is suggested that an attacker held up in goal could knock on and thus give only a 5m defending scrum rather than be carried out for a 22m d/o - this was refuted as being a pk for deliberate knock on.

    I fail to see the difference.

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    Default Re: Penalty advantage "claimed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    (which is the bit that is not allowed)
    I see the sense in that but where does it say it is not allowed?
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    Default Re: Penalty advantage "claimed"

    It's been accepted practice for donkeys years surely.

    I can't see the problem; the SH is really just saying "We don't want to play advantage. We'll take the PK"
    Last edited by Taff; 21-02-16 at 10:02.

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    Default Re: Penalty advantage "claimed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I see the sense in that but where does it say it is not allowed?
    We were instructed a few years back (I can't recall if it was from the IRB or just the WRU - Might look it up later) That if they want the PK they take it "properly". If they want to go they try to use advantage. The Tap and go is not a tool to "win a PK and card".


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    I can't see it in the WR clarifications so it must have been a WRU thing.
    Last edited by Pegleg; 21-02-16 at 12:02.

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    "Nine, if you want the penalty instead of the advantage just say so. If you do that again I will ping you for a Deliberate knock on."

    Usually sorts it.

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    Default Re: Penalty advantage "claimed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    "Nine, if you want the penalty instead of the advantage just say so. If you do that again I will ping you for a Deliberate knock on."
    Quite a lot of referees tell them that in the PMB.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: Penalty advantage "claimed"

    I'm pretty sure that this covers it...

    8.5 (b) If advantage is being played following an infringement by one team and then the other team commit an infringement, the referee blows the whistle and applies the sanctions associated with the first infringement. If either infringement is for foul play, the referee applies the appropriate sanction for that offence. The referee may also temporarily suspend, or order off, the offending player.



    Intentional knock on isn't foul play, so you play the first infringement. You should be well aware of what the SH is wanting from the situation, so give it to him.The only thing you're going to do by getting all high and mighty is piss people off and lose the players' respect. Give the penalty, don't let them go quick, move on with the game.

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    Default Re: Penalty advantage "claimed"

    Can societies just tell clubs what to do in this case (all you need to do is say "We'll take the advantage sir")? Then it will become accepted practice.

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