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    Default Re: about arguments on forums...

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Fowler says ...
    Many references to Fowler over the years. A propos of nothing, do you have a publication date for the copy you are using?
    Don't feed the pedant!

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    "We demand strict proof for opinions we dislike, but are satisfied with mere hints for what we’re inclined to accept."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    Many references to Fowler over the years. A propos of nothing, do you have a publication date for the copy you are using?
    2015 is the latest, but I sometimes check earlier editions as well to see if there have been significant changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    Many references to Fowler over the years. A propos of nothing, do you have a publication date for the copy you are using?
    2015 is the latest, but I sometimes check earlier editions to see if there have been significant changes.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Fowler says that the verb following a collective noun tends to follow the sense rather than the grammatical form, so "Grammar Police" could take either. A singular verb would imply an abstract entity whereas the plural would be referring to a group of individuals who make up that entity.

    In this case "Grammar Police" could also be referring to the phrase itself, which is, of course, singular.

    (I think that is enough for a one minute argument.)
    No it isn't!


    You just have to remember a few simple rules to keep the grammar police off your back....

    1. Do not use no double negatives.

    2. Repetition is something you should never, never use at any time at all.

    3. You should avoid magniloquence unless you are walking through the valley of the shadow of death.

    4. Never use a preposition to end a sentence with.

    and finally

    5. Avoid clichés like the plague!
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    I feel these forums have moved away from Robbie's original idea, to become a soapbox for a very tiny few.
    ".... this is a result of “online disinhibition”. “When you cannot see or hear the other person, the lack of visual and auditory cues tends to make people more bold in what they say,” he says. “You can’t see a frown on someone’s face or hear anger in that person’s voice, which would otherwise cause you to tone down your argument. The arguer even forgets that another real, alive person exists at the other end of his or her words.”this is a result of “online disinhibition”. “When you cannot see or hear the other person, the lack of visual and auditory cues tends to make people more bold in what they say,” he says. “You can’t see a frown on someone’s face or hear anger in that person’s voice, which would otherwise cause you to tone down your argument. The arguer even forgets that another real, alive person exists at the other end of his or her words.”

    Source : Irish press
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    I don't understand your point, but that quote gave me dejavu!

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    Default Re: about arguments on forums...

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    I feel these forums have moved away from Robbie's original idea, to become a soapbox for a very tiny few.
    ...especially by those with by smart-Alec interpretations of the Laws which causes them to arrive at outlier ideas about the way some aspects of the game ought to be refereed.

    The end result of this is that referees coming here looking for guidance sometimes get some very bad advice, the type of advice that leads them away from the way the game is normally refereed.
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    Default Re: about arguments on forums...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    ...especially by those with by smart-Alec interpretations of the Laws which causes them to arrive at outlier ideas about the way some aspects of the game ought to be refereed.

    The end result of this is that referees coming here looking for guidance sometimes get some very bad advice, the type of advice that leads them away from the way the game is normally refereed.
    You make a good point about how the forward pass will continue to be refereed in practice, Ian_Cook. Wayne Barnes would agree with you about outlier ideas!

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    Default Re: about arguments on forums...

    So emotive language causes emotional reactions?! Who'd have thunk it?

    Those who agree will applaud, those who don't will get cross, and along the way the actual point being discussed gets lost. For me it undermines an argument rather than reinforcing it since it implies the argument itself is not strong enough to carry the day. YMMV.
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