Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 15

Thread: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

      
  1. #1
    Player or Coach

    Soc/Assoc
    None
    Grade
    ELRA
    Join Date
    02 Sep 13
    Posts
    270
    Thanks (Received)
    14
    Likes (Received)
    76

    Default Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    I've been refereeing mini/junior rugby union for a couple of seasons but my son is now playing rugby league in the Summer. He's an u11. I think that the correct laws are here:-

    http://media.rladmin.co.uk/docs/RFL%...ook%202016.pdf

    Anybody got any experience of these?

    Anyone got any advice on what the key things are to watch out for as a convert from Union?

    And specifically my son wants to know:-
    1) At u11 can he strip the ball in a 1 to 1 tackle (is this what is referred to as ball stealing)?
    2) If he is the marker and onside, when can he either play the man or the ball (we think it might be different from u10 to u11 - he's is looking to pounce on the ball if the dummy half is slow to pick it up)?
    3) Can the dummy half scoot - what happens if he is tackled (there seems to be a difference in wording between u10 and u11)?

  2. #2

    Referees in Australia


    Soc/Assoc
    Brisbane Rugby League Referees Association
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    27 Jul 13
    Posts
    998
    Thanks (Received)
    15
    Likes (Received)
    207

    Default Re: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_A View Post
    I've been refereeing mini/junior rugby union for a couple of seasons but my son is now playing rugby league in the Summer. He's an u11. I think that the correct laws are here:-

    http://media.rladmin.co.uk/docs/RFL%...ook%202016.pdf

    Anybody got any experience of these?

    Anyone got any advice on what the key things are to watch out for as a convert from Union?

    And specifically my son wants to know:-
    1) At u11 can he strip the ball in a 1 to 1 tackle (is this what is referred to as ball stealing)?
    2) If he is the marker and onside, when can he either play the man or the ball (we think it might be different from u10 to u11 - he's is looking to pounce on the ball if the dummy half is slow to pick it up)?
    3) Can the dummy half scoot - what happens if he is tackled (there seems to be a difference in wording between u10 and u11)?
    We use similar rules for our mod rugby league here. From looking at the rule book you provided, he cannot strip the ball (this is what they have called ball stealing), and the dummy half can scoot and be tackled.

    Your question about when he can move as marker is an interesting one, because it is not something even addressed in the International law book. The general belief is that if there is a dummy half present and he passes immediately, the marker cannot interfere with him. If there is no dummy half, he may play at the ball. If the dummy half decides to run or is indecisive (too slow), he is fair game. So in short, we expect the marker to hold a bit longer than the rest of the defensive line.

  3. #3

    Referees in England


    Soc/Assoc
    --
    Grade
    Grassroots
    Join Date
    14 Sep 09
    Posts
    17,383
    Thanks (Received)
    136
    Likes (Received)
    1679

    Default Re: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_A View Post
    I've been refereeing mini/junior rugby union for a couple of seasons but my son is now playing rugby league in the Summer. He's an u11. I think that the correct laws are here:-
    don't do it !

    all the kids that I know who played year round, non stop rugby for years on end -- they all burned out and stopped playing....

    play one or the other type of the rugby, and have a break. In the long term an off-season is just as important as an on-season.


    play rugby in the winter and in the summer play cricket, or tennis as God intended...

  4. #4
    Player or Coach

    Soc/Assoc
    None
    Grade
    ELRA
    Join Date
    02 Sep 13
    Posts
    270
    Thanks (Received)
    14
    Likes (Received)
    76

    Default Re: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    don't do it !

    all the kids that I know who played year round, non stop rugby for years on end -- they all burned out and stopped playing....

    play one or the other type of the rugby, and have a break. In the long term an off-season is just as important as an on-season.


    play rugby in the winter and in the summer play cricket, or tennis as God intended...
    He plays cricket too... and tennis, basketball, football.

    I do get your point though. He's in his last year at primary and just enjoying doing everything. Next year he'll be at secondary school with cricket on Saturdays (so no Rugby League) so the burn out risk goes away.
    Last edited by Dan_A; 04-05-16 at 11:05.

  5. #5
    Player or Coach

    Soc/Assoc
    None
    Grade
    ELRA
    Join Date
    02 Sep 13
    Posts
    270
    Thanks (Received)
    14
    Likes (Received)
    76

    Default Re: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    Quote Originally Posted by leaguerefaus View Post

    Your question about when he can move as marker is an interesting one, because it is not something even addressed in the International law book. The general belief is that if there is a dummy half present and he passes immediately, the marker cannot interfere with him. If there is no dummy half, he may play at the ball. If the dummy half decides to run or is indecisive (too slow), he is fair game. So in short, we expect the marker to hold a bit longer than the rest of the defensive line.
    Thanks for your help on the first two, really appreciated.

    On the third one we were looking at the different wording of rule 9 between the u10 version he played last year and the u11 version for this year:-

    u10s - rule 9:-
    "...The ball is in play once the acting half touches the ball (the acting half cannot delay touching the ball)."


    U11:- rule 9:-
    "...The ball is in play once it is played backwards (there can be no delay in playing the ball backwards once the player has placed the ball on the ground)."

    That seems to be a material difference and my son reckons that players will be used to standing over the ball and being safe until they touch it. He is thinking he can dive in as long as he is on side. Or is this just something in league where what is actually refereed doesn't match what is in the law book?

    Sorry for the detail, my son loves this kind of stuff...

  6. #6

    Referees in Australia


    Soc/Assoc
    Brisbane Rugby League Referees Association
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    27 Jul 13
    Posts
    998
    Thanks (Received)
    15
    Likes (Received)
    207

    Default Re: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_A View Post
    Thanks for your help on the first two, really appreciated.

    On the third one we were looking at the different wording of rule 9 between the u10 version he played last year and the u11 version for this year:-

    u10s - rule 9:-
    "...The ball is in play once the acting half touches the ball (the acting half cannot delay touching the ball)."


    U11:- rule 9:-
    "...The ball is in play once it is played backwards (there can be no delay in playing the ball backwards once the player has placed the ball on the ground)."

    That seems to be a material difference and my son reckons that players will be used to standing over the ball and being safe until they touch it. He is thinking he can dive in as long as he is on side. Or is this just something in league where what is actually refereed doesn't match what is in the law book?

    Sorry for the detail, my son loves this kind of stuff...
    No need to apologise mate, always good to see some interest! The whole marker situation in league doesn't match the law book unfortunately! If there's a dummy half and he reaches around or dives in, he will be penalised at any level of the game. The international law book strictly forbids diving into the ruck when there is a dummy half.

  7. #7

    Referees in England
    ctrainor's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Cumbria Referees Society
    Grade
    7
    Join Date
    23 Jun 05
    Posts
    2,358
    Thanks (Received)
    8
    Likes (Received)
    164

    Default Re: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    Dan_A when my son started playing RL as a junior, he played soccer in winter, I offered to help out reffing and was told I couldn't do it unless I was qualified.
    I eventually went on a course which has qualified me to ref local RL games but he promptly packed in so never got to use it!
    You may need a formal qualification before you start.
    Ciaran Trainor

  8. #8
    Player or Coach

    Soc/Assoc
    None
    Grade
    ELRA
    Join Date
    02 Sep 13
    Posts
    270
    Thanks (Received)
    14
    Likes (Received)
    76

    Default Re: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    At the moment I'm kind of just helping with coaching. The running/passing/tackling skills are pretty similar between the two codes at this age, it's just that I'm feeling a bit exposed when the kids ask law questions like the three above. This is especially annoying when it's my own son showing up his father's lack of detailed knowledge

  9. #9

    Referees in England
    Lee Lifeson-Peart's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    (South) Yorkshire Referee's Society
    Grade
    Level 7
    Join Date
    12 Mar 08
    Posts
    7,240
    Thanks (Received)
    42
    Likes (Received)
    655

    Default Re: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    Learn to shout this for 80 minutes non-stop (Hull accent optional) from the sidelines (whether your team are in possession or not is immaterial).

    Geddim on saaaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!!
    Along came Lou with old baboon and said I recognise that smell. That smells like seven layers. That beaver eats Taco Bell....- Claypool, LaLonde & Alexander 1995

  10. #10

    Referees in England


    Soc/Assoc
    Southern RL
    Grade
    Rugby League
    Join Date
    31 Oct 10
    Posts
    1,320
    Thanks (Received)
    6
    Likes (Received)
    80

    Default Re: Primary Rugby League for u10s/u11s

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_A View Post
    2) If he is the marker and onside, when can he either play the man or the ball (we think it might be different from u10 to u11 - he's is looking to pounce on the ball if the dummy half is slow to pick it up)?
    I'm far from a Primary expert, but on the few occasions I've done festivals: markers can now move when the ball is played; if he falls on the ball he will/should be penalised for a voluntary tackle; if the opponents are obviously not very good at playing the ball and picking up from acting half, and the acting half is consistently being caught in possession, he may well find that the markers will start to draw a lot of penalties for not square as the ref tries to give that team a chance to get the ball clear of the ruck and ensure that everyone's having fun. If he's bright enough to be asking those kinds of questions, he should also be bright enough to understand why people might do this.

    What bit of the country are you in?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •