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    Default Crocodile Roll at Under 19

    Bit of a debate kicking off on Twitter about an article and accompanying video on Rugby World Magazine teaching juniors how to crocodile roll in rucks. Ben Ryan (Fiji coach) and Dan Cottrell amongst others condemning it.

    The Twitter conversation is here: https://mobile.twitter.com/thedeadba...47762357362688

    The video is here: https://youtu.be/HMiwj51KkL4

    I know that at my club we have had sessions on this subject for under 15s and upwards. But is it something they should be taught?

    Should it be outlawed at U19 like squeezeball?

    Should it be outlawed from the game altogether?

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    Default Re: Crocodile Roll at Under 19

    can't concentrate on the crocodile roll, distracted by the leggings.

    It does say : wrap both arms around the torso, not around the head or neck.

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    Default Re: Crocodile Roll at Under 19

    Not like this is new.... been going on for years!

    I've never invoked it but....... 16.3 (c)?

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    all of these

    6.3 Rucking
    (a)
    Players in a ruck must endeavour to stay on their feet.
    Sanction: Penalty kick

    (b)
    A player must not intentionally fall or kneel in a ruck. This is dangerous play.
    Sanction: Penalty kick

    (c)
    A player must not intentionally collapse a ruck. This is dangerous play.
    Sanction: Penalty kick


    but in the real world we ignore them

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    Default Re: Crocodile Roll at Under 19

    Remember that clarification 4-2014 dealt with neck rolls v body rolls


    2.Ruck clear outs using “head rolls” or “body rolls”

    Clarification in Law by the Designated Members of the Rugby Committee

    In terms of ruck clearouts using “head rolls” and “body rolls”, this is not specifically referenced in Law. However, Law 10.4 (e) regarding dangerous play and misconduct should be applied to both the tackle and clear out:

    “Dangerous tackling. A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously. A player must not tackle an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the neck or head is dangerous play. Sanction: Penalty kick”

    Therefore body rolls are permissible but head rolls should be penalised.
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    I think it should be outlawed altogether
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    Default Re: Crocodile Roll at Under 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Hipkins View Post
    Bit of a debate kicking off on Twitter about an article and accompanying video on Rugby World Magazine teaching juniors how to crocodile roll in rucks. Ben Ryan (Fiji coach) and Dan Cottrell amongst others condemning it.

    The Twitter conversation is here: https://mobile.twitter.com/thedeadba...47762357362688

    The video is here: https://youtu.be/HMiwj51KkL4

    I know that at my club we have had sessions on this subject for under 15s and upwards. But is it something they should be taught? NO

    Should it be outlawed at U19 like squeezeball? YES

    Should it be outlawed from the game altogether? YES
    IMO, the Crocodile/Alligator/Saddle roll is a dangerous practise and ought to be banned. We never had neck rolls taking place before this practice became accepted. It is quite simply collapsing the ruck under Law 16.3(c)
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    Default Re: Crocodile Roll at Under 19

    USA Rugby, a few years ago, allowed it at all level, and allowed the shoulder/neck roll of all/any players. This led to a tesy eexchange of emails with Head Office.

    Now, at High School and above, the GMG say that:
    Any roll must be around the chest.
    May only be done to a player who has hands on the ball.

    I think it's crap, and worry about the injury potential. Rolling someone who has a trapped leg is just going to lead to a Catchpole injury.
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    Default Re: Crocodile Roll at Under 19

    Quote Originally Posted by ctrainor View Post
    I think it should be outlawed altogether
    Agreed. I don't want rucks to become a wrestling match. They are messy enough as it is. (Americans, of course, have a wrestling tradition.)
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    Default Re: Crocodile Roll at Under 19

    I think this thread is missing the point : in terms of the Laws, crocodile rolls ARE banned, clearly they breach 16.3(a) and 16.3(c)

    the question is why don't we enforce those Laws any more ?

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