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    Default Re: Confused about these 2 scrum laws. Help please !

    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    If a penalty at scrum , for front row standing / collapsing /.
    Although scrum half cant take a quick tap & go untill ref happy , players are all safe .
    Where would you advise ref makes mark .
    Would you go to rear of scrum to the nr 8 posotion , of team you are awarding scrum to ...
    If scrum half decides to take penalty & he standing where he originally stood , would you simplyfy things and let that spot be the mark ., any guidance here for me ,,
    In this situation most clubs expect the scrum half to throw the ball to the #8 for the quick tap because he is legitimately behind the formal mark (centre of the scrum). It seems too big an advantage to allow the player with the ball already in his hands to take a quick tap while the scrum is still down, even though he may be "near" the mark.If he does it, stop him and let him take it from the correct place. Also advise him of your thinking, so next time he passes back to a suitably positioned team mate.
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    Default Re: Confused about these 2 scrum laws. Help please !

    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    It may be that a lot of no 9's arent sure of the laws either then :-)
    Who'd a though it ?
    ALL No 9s are sure of the Laws. Not many know them correctly though.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Confused about these 2 scrum laws. Help please !

    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    If a penalty at scrum , for front row standing / collapsing /.
    Although scrum half cant take a quick tap & go untill ref happy , players are all safe .
    Where would you advise ref makes mark .
    Would you go to rear of scrum to the nr 8 posotion , of team you are awarding scrum to ...
    If scrum half decides to take penalty & he standing where he originally stood , would you simplyfy things and let that spot be the mark ., any guidance here for me ,,
    The mark is at the point of callapse i.e. middle of the front row. Hence the SH's normal position is not close enough. But a PK can be taken anywhere on a line through and behind the mark; thus the No 8 is in a legitimate position. Don't put the mark at the back of the scrum.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Confused about these 2 scrum laws. Help please !

    AFAICT the Law was different in 1996. Offside was either foot in front of the ball for both halfbacks.

    LAW 21: OFFSIDE
    (2) A player is offside if he, being the player of either team who puts the ball in the scrummage, remains or places either foot in front of the ball while it is in the scrummage.

    (3) A player is offside if he, being the immediate opponent of the player putting in the ball, takes up a position on or moves to the opposite side of the scrummage in front of the offside line.
    NOTE: The offside line referred to in (3) is the hindmost foot offside line

    I'm guessing that this Law was changed in the 2000/01 rewrite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    I'm guessing that this Law was changed in the 2000/01 rewrite
    Somewhat to my surprise, it was actually changed in 1997.
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    Default Re: Confused about these 2 scrum laws. Help please !

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Somewhat to my surprise, it was actually changed in 1997.
    And I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for the change was that someone noticed that several SH's when using a spin pass would put the forward foot marginally ahead of the ball (which was still in the scrum) in preparation for distribution.
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    Default Re: Confused about these 2 scrum laws. Help please !

    Here's a weird one, can someone set me straight.

    If the opposing scrum half moves to the other side of the scrum he must stay onside, the onside line being described as the hindmost foot.... but the diagram seems to show the offside line as going through the middle of the scrum. http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=20.12

    Any ideas?

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    Default Re: Confused about these 2 scrum laws. Help please !

    Not sure where you arebgetting that from BB?

    Here's the picture from law 20 on the WR site...
    ... and it shows blue scrumhalf offside line through the rear feet ?


    http://laws.worldrugby.org/images/la...offside-en.jpg




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    Thanks didds, that looked to me (at first sight) as going more through the middle, but your interpretation is spot on. Thanks for that.

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    Default Re: Confused about these 2 scrum laws. Help please !

    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    If a penalty at scrum , for front row standing / collapsing /.
    Although scrum half cant take a quick tap & go untill ref happy , players are all safe .
    Where would you advise ref makes mark .
    Would you go to rear of scrum to the nr 8 posotion , of team you are awarding scrum to ...
    If scrum half decides to take penalty & he standing where he originally stood , would you simplyfy things and let that spot be the mark ., any guidance here for me ,,
    Law reference for penalising someone for "standing up" please?

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