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    Default RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    2 questions:

    1. What is an 'Uncontested Lineout'? More specifically, when is the opposition allowed to re-start the contest?

    2. Under 15 only: is lifting and supporting only permitted for the throwing in side (as there is 'no contest' for the ball)? (Not that I can any tactical point in the other side lifting, other than for practice.)

    Discussion last night amongst referees more accustomed to adult and U18 matches came to the conclusion that the contest resumed when the throwing-in side gained possession of the ball in the LO, i.e. the oposition could then form a maul on the line of touch. And that only the throwing-in Under 15 side should lift and support.

    However we all know that the throwing-in side in an uncontested scrum "must win" the ball and we do not allow e.g. the opposition SH to challenge for the ball as it comes out.

    So how are these areas regularly refereed (to inform Society referees appointed to the occasional U15 cup match)?
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    i'll be interested in the outcome of this thread, got an u15's cup match next month. Last year it ended up in a mass brawl with a coach reported to the police for assault
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    Default Re: RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    Discussed this at work with Community department.

    Consensus seems to be the lineout is uncontested in the air, so throwing side must win, but once the ball is back on the ground we are back to normal, so a contested maul can take place.

    The non winning side can still put someone up because they need to practise this, but can't contest for the ball (so may not bother).

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    Default Re: RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    Went to watch my u15 son's first school match a couple of weeks back. At half time the referee (a teacher form the opposition school) came over to our son's coach to check on lineout interpretation. Specifically, if the throwing in team doesn't jump what happens. We all kind if agreed that since safety is clearly the over-riding consideration, he should be specifically pinging competing in the air in any way. BUT, either after a lift or in the circumstance of no lift, when the receiver is on the ground with the ball it's game on!

    Also, and this is some kind of miracle, both my u15 and u12 son's are now playing the SAME rules in school games on Saturday as they do club games on Sunday..... hallelujah!!!

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    Default Re: RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    if the throwing team miss catching the ball altogether and the ball arrives at the back of the lineout, can a player from the non-throwing team catch it? can he jump to catch it?

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    Default Re: RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    In an uncontested scrum, if the scrum half fed the ball to the opposition would you make him do it again??

    My vote would be that we don't reward errors in execution with another bite at the cherry. If an opposition player can catch the throw unopposed, them to me they have not "competed" in any sense.

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    Default Re: RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_A View Post
    In an uncontested scrum, if the scrum half fed the ball to the opposition would you make him do it again??
    I would actually!
    More likely is that the hooker accidentally kicks it into the opposing scrum and then, yes, start again.

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    Default Re: RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    In an uncontested scrum the putting in team MUST win the ball. i.e. get it to the back of their scrum.

    I would suggest the same applies to the uncontested lineout. The throwing team MUST win the lineout. Once they have the ball in their possession its game on.

    So in Dan's scenario I would reset the lineout.

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    Default Re: RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_A View Post

    Also, and this is some kind of miracle, both my u15 and u12 son's are now playing the SAME rules in school games on Saturday as they do club games on Sunday..... hallelujah!!!
    this is a real achievement, and hats off for the RFU for making that happen, finally.

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    Default Re: RFU Under 14 & Under 15 NRoP: Line out

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    this is a real achievement, and hats off for the RFU for making that happen, finally.
    Agreed - and just in time for my grandson to start at U12.
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